Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: 406soaker on December 09, 2019, 03:16:34 pm
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Has anyone bought an Artic Spa Grizzly? We got quoted 8k. However, our Hot Springs dealer has a Flair on discount for 10,800 with salt. Trying to decide between the two.
Thanks,
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Which dealer do you like better? Price isn't the only factor you need to consider when buying a tub.
Also have you wet-tested both spas? Which do you like better?
Prices will vary around the country depending on the margins the dealer is operating on. Keep in mind this company will be your single point of contact with the manufacturer if you have any problem with your investment over the next several years. So be certain they are dedicated to customer satisfaction and have their own in-house service technicians to help with any problems should they arise.
The last thing you want is a leaky tub and a "we'll be there in three weeks if you agree to pay us a call out fee just to look at the tub" response from the dealer.
Also if you go Hotspring, I vote you skip the salt feature - it's a PITA to get up and running. The older circulation pump and ozonator is a very effective method of keeping water sanitized with the need for less chemicals (I still use chlorine but way less than a basic hot tub without an ozonator)
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Also if you go Hotspring, I vote you skip the salt feature - it's a PITA to get up and running. The older circulation pump and ozonator is a very effective method of keeping water sanitized with the need for less chemicals (I still use chlorine but way less than a basic hot tub without an ozonator)
Ratchett I’ve seen you post this a few times. With no experience at all with this system how would you possibly know this. I have it. It was quite simple to setup. I’ve had it for about a year and half. Run a low chlorine level. Tub is always clear and clean. It’s quite simple.
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Also if you go Hotspring, I vote you skip the salt feature - it's a PITA to get up and running. The older circulation pump and ozonator is a very effective method of keeping water sanitized with the need for less chemicals (I still use chlorine but way less than a basic hot tub without an ozonator)
Ratchett I’ve seen you post this a few times. With no experience at all with this system how would you possibly know this. I have it. It was quite simple to setup. I’ve had it for about a year and half. Run a low chlorine level. Tub is always clear and clean. It’s quite simple.
I'm going off the countless complaints I've seen online. I have hardly seen anyone stating they are satisfied with their Watkins Freshwater Salt System. The sheer number of complaints I've seen regarding the ACE and new Freshwater salt system are far more than anything I'd consider a statistical anomaly.
From what I can see, the Freshwater Salt system is an attempt by Watkins to patent a technology to increase profit margins. I understand the original ACE system is different from the newer 2019 Freshwater system, but I have only come across a handful of users who are actually satisfied with their salt setups. I get that an unsatisfied customer is more likely to complain online than a satisfied customer, but we're talking nine to one ratios right now.
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I’ve seen maybe half a dozen posts on here about them and people having some issues. 9/10 times after advice was given you never heard from them again. Just this year I have sold 150+ models with this system. I’m by no means a big dealer. So 6-7 complaints out of thousands of people who have this system leads you to believe this? The Ace system that was setup by dealers who understood the system was much more effective then dealers who weren’t well versed. I think the same thing with freshwater system. It is literally the easiest system to use out of any other chem system I have used in my own hot tub or a hot tub I have sold. I’ve been in the hot tub business for 25+ years at this point. If you get this from a dealer who gets the system you would agree
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Dealer has been there for 40 years and has excellent reviews. I can’t find anything on the Artic Grizzly. However, being in Montana I want the most efficient spa. We’re going be testing the grizzly, rhythm and the flair tomorrow.
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Think you have 3 good choices. I think HS does a better job when it comes to energy efficiency but out of all the companies that due perimeter insulation Arctic does it the best. Base it on how the tubs feel
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I’ve seen maybe half a dozen posts on here about them and people having some issues. 9/10 times after advice was given you never heard from them again. Just this year I have sold 150+ models with this system. I’m by no means a big dealer. So 6-7 complaints out of thousands of people who have this system leads you to believe this? The Ace system that was setup by dealers who understood the system was much more effective then dealers who weren’t well versed. I think the same thing with freshwater system. It is literally the easiest system to use out of any other chem system I have used in my own hot tub or a hot tub I have sold. I’ve been in the hot tub business for 25+ years at this point. If you get this from a dealer who gets the system you would agree
There's a LOT of math I'm not understanding in the first part of that post.
As for salt systems, well that's a whole other topic lol.
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I’ve seen maybe half a dozen posts on here about them and people having some issues. 9/10 times after advice was given you never heard from them again. Just this year I have sold 150+ models with this system. I’m by no means a big dealer. So 6-7 complaints out of thousands of people who have this system leads you to believe this?
There's a LOT of math I'm not understanding in the first part of that post.
As for salt systems, well that's a whole other topic lol.
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I’ve seen maybe half a dozen posts on here about them and people having some issues. 9/10 times after advice was given you never heard from them again. Just this year I have sold 150+ models with this system. I’m by no means a big dealer. So 6-7 complaints out of thousands of people who have this system leads you to believe this? The Ace system that was setup by dealers who understood the system was much more effective then dealers who weren’t well versed. I think the same thing with freshwater system. It is literally the easiest system to use out of any other chem system I have used in my own hot tub or a hot tub I have sold. I’ve been in the hot tub business for 25+ years at this point. If you get this from a dealer who gets the system you would agree
There's a LOT of math I'm not understanding in the first part of that post.
As for salt systems, well that's a whole other topic lol.
Lol. Yeah reading it it looks confusing! My point was I have 150 of these systems out in the field with very low issues. Out of the people on hear asking questions or having problems with the system for the most part you never hear from them again. Do you don’t know if they listened to advice and problem was solved or what end result was.
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We do live in a very cold climate. The Artic Spa is an ABS shell, where the Hotsprings is a fiber glass. Is there anything to be worried about in terms of an ABS shell?
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Have you wet tested either. Your getting hung up in some stuff that doesn’t really matter much. Two different manufacturing processes. Done properly they will last for years. Being In a cold environment do you lose power often? If so I would prefer the Insulation on a hot spring versus a arctic due to the fact it’s fully insulated versus the perimeter insulation. Have you wet tested either?
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We do live in a very cold climate. The Artic Spa is an ABS shell, where the Hotsprings is a fiber glass. Is there anything to be worried about in terms of an ABS shell?
How's your car's interior panels holding up? Any problem with your car trim panels? Most of your car's interior plastic trim panels are made from sheets of ABS, at least half as thick as the basepan of your Artic Spa.
That said, I'm fairly certain the basepan on my new 2019 Hotspring Jetsetter is ABS, not fiberglass
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Both are display models that aren’t filled. I’ve only been able sit in each one. We lose power a few times a year, but maybe 12 hours tops. They only have the higher end/ bigger tubs running. Would it be out of line for me to ask them to get them running so I have the ability to wet test it? The Flair is the last model they have, 10.8 cash or 12.8 financed.
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Not at all out of line. Wet testing is the single best thing you can do in evaluating your purchase decision. If the dealer can't or won't allow that, that's BIG.
Would you buy a $10K+ car after just sitting in it? Or would you insist on driving it?
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Being In a cold environment do you lose power often? If so I would prefer the Insulation on a hot spring versus a arctic due to the fact it’s fully insulated versus the perimeter insulation.
This isn't entirely true, The water in the vessel will keep the inside space (plumbing) warmer for longer on the Arctic. The equipment (plumbing) is in the warmed by vessel space on the arctic but not the HS. In the long run the water in the vessel of the HS would freeze slower but the plumbing in the equipment area would long be froze on the HS before the Arctic.
Either way it won't matter. In very cold climates power outages are very very rare for longer than a few hours. And if there is a longer outage your house will have a bigger problem.
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Artic dealer said we could wet test it. 4K difference between the Grizzly and the Flair. Will the monthly electric operating cost be similar between the two tubs?
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Artic dealer said we could wet test it. 4K difference between the Grizzly and the Flair. Will the monthly electric operating cost be similar between the two tubs?
No, the HS will be more efficient, it has more insulation.
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Thanks. Going wet test the Artic then reassess. The flair actually closer to 5K more after looking at the invoice again.
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https://www.arcticspas.com/arctic-spas/grizzly/
Here the Artic Spa were looking at.
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https://www.arcticspas.com/arctic-spas/grizzly/
Here the Artic Spa were looking at.
This part of their insulation description is deceitful.
"Ambient heat from the pump penetrates the spa shell and heats the water. In winter this heat returns to the pump area in the event of a power loss."
Facts are in cold climate the warmth generated from the pumps creates r-factor in the cabinet. Pumps filter and create warmth for 4 hours a day, that leaves the balance of the day, 20 hours with less r-factor than the HS. And you better hope that its not "heat" heat is the enemy of hot tub equipment.
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Thank you.
Is the ACE system installed at the factory or can that be added later on with the Flair Model? We’re trying save where we can and if I could go without the salt for now that would save us quite a bit of money based on how much I’ve seen the ACE go for on these forums.
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ACE would be a dealer installed option. It will probably cost you a bit more to add it later than if your dealer installs it at the time of delivery since they will have to make a separate trip.
If those are the only two models you are down to, then let the wet test and dealer's credibility make the decision for you. It doesn't matter if the Arctic is $5k cheaper if you don't fit right it in.
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ACE would be a dealer installed option. It will probably cost you a bit more to add it later than if your dealer installs it at the time of delivery since they will have to make a separate trip.
If those are the only two models you are down to, then let the wet test and dealer's credibility make the decision for you. It doesn't matter if the Arctic is $5k cheaper if you don't fit right it in.
Yea and if the Arctic is 5 grand cheaper is not an apples to apples comparison.
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Thank you.
Is the ACE system installed at the factory or can that be added later on with the Flair Model? We’re trying save where we can and if I could go without the salt for now that would save us quite a bit of money based on how much I’ve seen the ACE go for on these forums.
The new 2019 systems do not use the older expensive ACE salt system. Instead it's an inline cartridge system.
My dealer was charging the same price if I wanted the Freshwater salt or the Ozone system
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It’s a 2020 model. Dealer said they would throw in a year supply of cartridges.