Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: mattNY on April 09, 2006, 11:54:18 pm
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Hi everyone!
I've been a lurker here and at the other forums for some time. I really appreciate all the advice and good info. from the boards (not to mention the fun!). I found a used tub on Craigslist about a week ago and didn't think much would come of it, but it turned out I ended up buying it that same day and moved it the next (with a bunch of guys and a pickup, that was an adventure in itself). Anyway, I always like how East TX Spa does his photo excursions, and I thought I'd throw up just a few pics in like fashion.
The tub is a Hot Springs Highline, owner said around 8 years old so I'm guessing it's a 1998 or thereabouts. I got it quite cheap and it's in nice shape considering, though the cabinet is quite weathered. It was fully operational when I removed it, they just don't use it much anymore since they're snowbirds and they're in FLA 6 months out of the year now. I'm in a holding pattern right now getting estimates on concrete slabs and still need to buy the GFCI breaker box (which the previous owner didn't want removed), so the tub is sitting safe and sound in the garage.
Here's the inside after I cleaned it this weekend with some shell cleaner: (http://static.flickr.com/56/126135916_fa9324775e_o.jpg)
Not a lot of fancy jets, but I just wanted a starter tub anyway. (Hot swirly water is good enough for me!)
As I said, the cabinet is quite weathered at the moment:
(http://static.flickr.com/54/126128301_073f54de2d.jpg)
So I'm going to refinish it to help the looks and protect the wood.
(http://static.flickr.com/47/126128422_388900d384.jpg)
Here's the side I started on:
(http://static.flickr.com/54/126128466_d46247d154.jpg)
Half done:
(http://static.flickr.com/55/126128391_8bba9654ee.jpg)
Aaand here's what the cabinet looks like now:
(http://static.flickr.com/54/126128333_d56ed6b4d1_o.jpg)
Two of the sides were ok, two were pretty beat up with water stains so I washed those with House Wash (helps to remove stains and mildew). I'll finish the cabinet up this week. Still getting concrete estimates on the patio, and found another Hot Springs dealer out of town that has the breaker for a reasonable price. ($350 seems insane to me, and even the electrian that does their installs thought it was really high.)
Will update as things progress. :D
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If it's not too late, ask the previous owner if you can just take the breakers. The box itself can stay, and any other breakers which might be running other things can sure stay.
The box itself shouldn't cost you more than $30 - it's those pesky breakers which cost body parts.
I never sand older tubs like that anymore. I have my wife do it....
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The tub is a Hot Springs Highline, owner said around 8 years old so I'm guessing it's a 1998 or thereabouts.
Not a lot of fancy jets, but I just wanted a starter tub anyway. (Hot swirly water is good enough for me!)
The model is a Highlife, and most likely 94-96 model. ;) Congrats, and enjoy.
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Congrats and welcome to the club. !
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You can find out exactly what year is was made by looking in the motor compartment at the serial number.
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If it's not too late, ask the previous owner if you can just take the breakers. The box itself can stay, and any other breakers which might be running other things can sure stay.
That was my plan, but the owner wouldn't let me take them. I think it's a combination of "don't touch it, I don't really know how it works so just leave it" and the fact that he might want a new hot tub at some point in the future (or it's a selling point when he sells the house, "hot tub ready").
If any dealers would be willing to give me an idea on pricing for the GFCI boxes (with a 30A and a 20A breaker), I'd appreciate it, I realize they're normally bundled with the tubs, but I'm getting some wildly different quotes to buy it separately.
It is the Highlife, thanks for the correction :) And if it's 10+ years old, it's definitely held up well, the shell is in great shape, I'm impressed!
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Thanks for sharing, I'm sure the forum will be looking forward to updates.
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If any dealers would be willing to give me an idea on pricing for the GFCI boxes (with a 30A and a 20A breaker), I'd appreciate it, I realize they're normally bundled with the tubs, but I'm getting some wildly different quotes to buy it separately.
$195 plus tax and shipping.
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When we were building the addition for our spa I bought a 60A Spa Panel for $79.83 at Lowes. It came with a 60A GFCI Breaker and had space for 2 or 3 additional breakers if you wanted to add some extra outlets, lights, etc. But it wouldn't a good idea to put anything else with a big draw (motor or heater) off the 60A breaker. I ran a second 20a line from the main to a 20A breaker in this box then to my exhaust fan and a few lights.
What cost was the #6 wire: 80 feet @ $1.77 per foot = $141.60.
Since this panel is located in the basement below the tub, I added a shut off in the tub room. It's just a box with a big switch that is embedded in the wall. It only sticks out about an inch and I framed if with trim. It hardly noticeble unless you are looking for it.
One thing we learned about the code. The wire that goes into the spa, whether it comes direct from the breaker panel or from a downline switch must have an insulated ground wire. Most are bare but our local code requires it be insulated for spas. Check your local code. This is realtively new here and if I hadn't hired the electrical instructor at the local Vo-tech, it might be wrong today.
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plenty of folk to help you with that highlife. You'll be real happy with it.
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[size=18]UPDATE[/size]
Progress thus far:
Finished staining the cabinet this weekend (business trip delayed it). Here's a couple of shots half-done, I'll have to take the "finished" shots tomorrow:
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7216/resizeoffrontsidehalfdone7fu.jpg)
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1733/resizeofbacksidehalfdone1ci.jpg)
I took the trip back to Syracuse on Easter weekend and the dealer there sold the breaker box to me for $175 plus tax. (With just a little nudge - they were going to charge me $260 until I brought up the fact that I called ahead and they told me $175. Cmon, guys. Seriously.) A far sight cheaper than the $350 the crappy rip-off dealer was going to charge me (which is how I refer to them now to all my friends and acquaintences).
I got two concrete estimates, both were more than double the estimate I got last year. I called, concrete has gone up, but I can still get 3 cubic yards delivered for $395, and 2 yards of crushed stone for $140, which is more than enough to do a 12 x 16 patio. I'd rather not do it myself if I can get a reasonable price, I have another guy coming tomorrow that was referred by a contractor friend of mine, so we'll see what happens on that front.
So, the spa is cleaned, exterior is stained, I got protectant wipes for the cover, I bought the breaker box, my electrician is ready to go when I am. Once the patio is done, I just need to set the tub in place and call the electrician and I'm good to go. I think I'm pretty set on Nature2 and dichlor, but I haven't bought chemicals yet. Does anyone have any tips on what I could soak the filters in to clean them? Or is it sufficient to just hose them off.
Also, I looked in the equipment cabinet today, I saw the serial #, motor ratings, and all kinds of other info. but nothing that would indicate the year it was made. Any other thoughts? Not that it really matters, just curious.
Thanks for all the help. I'm having fun as the project progresses, but I just keep looking up late at night when the stars are out and thinking "what a night for a hot tub."(http://URL)(http://URL)
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Post the serial number and we'll tell you the year.
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Regarding your question about soaking the filters: It's been recommended to me to soak them in some filter cleaning solution (easy to find).
Rinse them good.
Being that this is a used tub, you might want to buy a new set of filters.
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to use Nature2, you'll need the hollow upgrade standpipe. Think I know where to find it right away. ;D
Don't NEED a slab for that spa.
Filters: Soak em/ or Dishwasher with soap, no dry/heat cycle at end.
Serial number for Highlife tells the year.
K-231442 k=highlife, 2=2nd qtr, 3=1993, rest is production
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Lay the concrete if you want to, but I opted for something other than concrete.
We made a wooden box form of 2x6 and filled it with 4 inches of gravel and sand. We then used those cheap concrete pavers. Solid as a rock and considerably cheaper than concrete.
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Before you buy a breaker box from just anyone, make sure Hot Spring didn' t have a breaker box specifically made for their spas back then.
Hot Spring Spas now use a special breaker that is different than other spas. Not any breaker will work. That is part of the reason they include the box with their 220 models.
The HSS dealers on here will know for sure. They have a computer program that can tell them that stuff for older spas.
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Thanks for the help on the year... serial is K 211081, so this thing is quite a bit older than I thought (1st quarter 1991, right poolboy?). Must have slipped the owner's mind due to all those years of trouble free operation ;). Still, both the heaters and pumps were replaced fairly recently, and the thing really has held up well. And, much to my surprise, it is 'pre-plumbed for ozone' in the cabinet, so I could always add that in with a minimum of fuss.
Cabinet turned out well, I am pleased for the minimal effort I put in. Assuming all goes well and it works, then maybe next year I'll take the time to sand it down/powerwash it and get it looking much better.
I did end up going with the contractor today, he came in much lower than other estimates and had examples of all his work. I opted for the slab for a few reasons, one of which is that I may well add an addition over it in a couple of years. I'm getting additional support around the edges of the slab to account for that in the future. I took "before" pics today, I'll post them with the "after" when the slab is done, hopefully Saturday if the weather cooperates.
Allowing for slab work and concrete cure, I could be in hot water in as little as two weeks. :D
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All the bricks are gone, site excavated and crushed stone laid and tamped with the forms in place. If the weather holds and we don't get rain, the concrete is scheduled to come Saturday morning.
I'm planning on giving it a week to cure before setting the hot tub on it. That means I have to start buying chemicals soon. Should I just buy one of those all-in-one Leisure Time kits to get me started? Or should I just buy everything separately? I'm planning on using chlorine to start, probably with Nature2.
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For nature2, you'll need to locate which standpipe is for the circ. pump. If it's not hollow you'll need to get a retro standpipe.
Ozone does plumb into the 3/4" line, AFTER the heater. You'll need a specific ozone, so if you want one, we'll direct you to what you need.
You'll need two gfci breakers, (1)220v,20amp, (1)220v, 30amp. Use the neutral from the 20amp breaker.
Square plate at wiring/junction box should have a diagram on it.
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We made a wooden box form of 2x6 and filled it with 4 inches of gravel and sand. We then used those cheap concrete pavers. Solid as a rock and considerably cheaper than concrete.
But might be the same amount of work....
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Allowing for slab work and concrete cure, I could be in hot water in as little as two weeks. :D
[size=18]UPDATE[/size]
Well - it was really more like 4, but here's "the rest of the story".
The old patio looked thus, very not-nice:
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/old_patio___start.jpg)
So they ripped it up, widened it a bit and put down some stone. Better already.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/patio_half_done.jpg)
A little wire mesh and some extra rebar for strength.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/patio___rebar.jpg)
Concrete's here! I love the apple trees in the spring, but they only last about a week like that.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/patio___concrete_starting.jpg)
Of course it rained!
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/patio___rain_cover.jpg)
But it still turned out nice.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/patio_done___side_view.jpg)
Put the hot tub down there, used the PVC roller trick, piece of cake with just 3 guys. (Thanks for the suggestion, whoever that was.)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/hot_tub_patio___no_electric.jpg)
Hmm... it's not working?
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/hot_tub_patio___no_electric_side.jpg)
Oh yeah, POWER.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/hot_tub_patio_electric_side.jpg)
I also got him to put in a 115V GFI outside plug. Thanks a ton for that suggestion.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/electric___110v_outside_gfi.jpg)
My very first test strip!
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/first_test_strip.jpg)
And the finished product.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j282/mpc7488/Hot%20tub%20and%20Patio/hot_tub_bubbles_2.jpg)
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Get in that Tub Matt!
Hope you enjoy it for years!
And get a cover lifter too! ;)
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How far is that electrical box from the spa?......... And ah, can you run flexable conduit across what might be considered a walkway? Careful with the lawn mower ;D
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Beats me Doc - my electrician does all the installs for one of the local spa places, so he is supposed to be an expert. I'd say the box is just a little over 5 feet from the water, it is close.
Filled the spa at 2 pm, it was at 64 degrees. 4 hours later, it's at 87, woohoo! Getting up there. It's supposed to have a 24 hour circ pump, but if it's running I *cannot* hear it.
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Do you have any air bubbles coming up? I don't think I hear my circ pump either, but I always have air bubbles coming up in the middle once the power is on.
My disconnect is pretty close to my tub too... but they did run it underground and pop it up right next to the pad. It is hidden by my lovely ferns.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/imnosupermom/P1010051.jpg)
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you won't hear the 24-hour pump, unless there's something wrong with it. The circ pump return/inlet is located near the cooldown seat. That spa should heat at about 7-10 degrees an hour. Looks great. Great story. We have hundreds of reconditioned hotspring spa stories of our own. Just last week, we delivered a pre-owned 1986 hotspring classic. It's now on it's 4th owner.
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An '86? Wow! That is amazing. I really am astounded by how good of shape it's in for its age, my electrician commented on it as well. (I think he has a '95 or '96.)
I went to a dinner and a movie with friends, and (of course) they brought their bathing suits and came over afterwards. I didn't think it'd be ready, but it was 101 degrees already at 10:30 pm and 3 ppm chlorine. It was great - everything I was hoping for. They left and I went back in for another half hour by myself.
By the way, for those who are interested and might be looking into such things myself, here was my cost outlay:
Used hot tub, Craigslist: $600 (I had to buy it within hours)
Disconnect Box: $189 after tax (thanks Chas and others for guidance on pricing)
Move: "Free" (but a big pain)
No cover lifter, no steps - I'll have to get those as well.
Cedar toner, paintbrush, dropcloth: About $30 at Lowes
Electrician, 220V hookup with separate 115V outlet: $488
12' x 16' Patio: $1500
I am pretty happy overall. I'm a young guy and don't have a ton of cash, and this was a cheap way for me to start. None of the dealers around me offered used tubs, I would have jumped on something like that in a heartbeat if I had that option.
It's out there now, waiting for me tomorrow - woohoo!
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Great pictures Matt. Enjoy :)