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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Order new tub With Circulation pump -or- Without? Why or Why Not?

« Last post by Davekro on December 24, 2023, 04:21:41 pm »

Cranbiz,
In addition to being able to schedule your Circ. Pump to run 24/7, or 'X' hours 'X' times per day, are you –ALSO– able to schedule one of your Jet Pumps to also able to run 'X' hours 'X' times per day?  What brand, model, ≈ year is your hot tub?

I understand that some brand of hot tubs use very low GPM Circ pumps. Maybe only running 24/7 (w/ no option for fewer hours?).
I read that Bullfrog and many brands use a larger GPM flow rate Circ. Pump. I think I read 7x the GPM of the super low GPM Circs.

I ask about if Bullfrog can 'schedule' both the Circ. & a Jet Pump to be doing filtering, not necessarily programmed for the same hours to run. I am pretty sure I want to get a Circ. Pump on my soon-to-be new Bullfrog. But I'm reading that the stronger GPM flow of the Jet Pump (on low speed) pulls residues and particles floating on the surface that even the higher GPM Circ pumps can not draw into the filter. The best of both worlds would be to be able to schedule the Jet Pump filtration maybe 30-60 mins/ per night, or have a button that runs for the Jet pump filter for an hour or so, right after you get out. That would be a great feature.

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Bullfrog Spas / Bullfrog EOS vs Wellspring Ozone? Jet Pump Filter along with Circ. Pump?

« Last post by Davekro on December 24, 2023, 03:14:59 pm »

Hi BullFrogSpasMN,

Your forum answer on BF are knowledgeable, to the point, detailed and always very helpful (thank you)! As a new BF shopper, very soon to buy an A6L or A7L, I'd really appreciate your input on some questions. I've spent many hours/ days Googling for info on these questions, to no informative ends.
Thank you in advance if/ when you have the time.
Dave

1)   Ozone- How significantly would you guess that EOS ozone would extend the cover life (via less underside deterioration) and headrest oxidation than BF’s Wellspring ozone? Say medium use a few times a week (two people) vs Daily use for two people.
2)   Would the ozone cloud deterioration be negligible for both ozone options if the cover was removed daily for use or ½ of cover was at least lifted for 1-2 mins. daily?
3)   Would a water surface bubble thermal cover significantly reduce ozone vapor release, enabling a ‘weaker’ ozone cloud under the cover (assuming cover not lifted for weeks at a time)?
4)   With a 2023 A6 (w/2 Jet pumps) or A7 Bullfrog w/ Circ pump and Ozone still be able to set a Jet Pump to do filter cycles set to run ‘X’ times per day for ‘X’ hours each In Addition To the Circ pump set to run ‘X’ times per day for ‘X’ hours each?  Is the answer the same for either Eos or Wellspring ozone options? Does the BF software show the two independent filter cycle options on the touchscreen?

[ Thanks for the great response to my New Dealer question!]

Dave

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Buying a tub at a 20% to 35% savings from a brand new dealer?

« Last post by Davekro on December 24, 2023, 02:59:13 pm »

@BullFrogSpasMN ,

Thanks for the good info. I do feel less apprehensive once I narrow down to my 1–2 specific 1st choices between the BF A6L & A7L, which Trim Level, I'll run those specs past the established dealer for their price. When I went through Bullfrog's build a tub sequence on their site, the options got confusing. LOL, I was actually typing you a PM to ask about some of the option, since the board has been so quiet for responses lately. (maybe because I have bombarded the site with so many newbie questions in the past week! ;o)

I'm not sure how to navigate the 15 JetPak options! I'll need to choose at least 4, or 5 if I decide on an A7L Plus or Select. Any tip on how to make JetPak choices? We will be going in to the new dealer, hopefully Tuesday, to wet test the A9L's 7–8 JetPaks. Are there 5 'most popular, go to' JPaks? Just go with the recommended 4-5 from the site, or what a floor model already has in it? Actually, this new dealer has 8 Bullfrogs on his floor (A5L, A6, A6L Select, A7 Standard, A7D Plus, A8, A9L-'wet for testing', and an M8). If there was one particular JetPak I wanted that was not in a floor model I really liked, would a dealer be ok with swapping a JetPak from another floor model (all never wet).

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Order new tub With Circulation pump -or- Without? Why or Why Not?

« Last post by cranbiz on December 24, 2023, 08:59:18 am »

I'm in the have a circulation pump corner. The idea of running my main pump just to move water around when not in use just doesn't make sense to me if you can equip a tub with a small pump to do that.

Why BullFrog only offers them as an option, I don't know. It was a consideration when I bought my tub.

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: What shell colors you have had and why you chose your current color?

« Last post by cranbiz on December 24, 2023, 08:55:53 am »

Probably 40 years ago I had a 4 person tub in what would be a deep blue and black pattern. What @BullFrogSpaNMN said is very true on the ability to vacuum and clean out debris. It was very dark inside the tub also.

My current tub is a Tuscan Sun acrylic. Lighter brown with gold orange, etc. It's not too dark in it and it's easy to see in it for maintenance. Personally. I liked this pattern and color palate over a white (to bathtub looking to me). I wouldn't buy a dark color, I agree to keep it on the lighter side of things but wouldn't shy away from a lighter shade of brown like a Tuscan Sun.

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Who bought a Bullfrog in 2022 or prior from the Bullfrog Costco Roadshow Event?

« Last post by cranbiz on December 24, 2023, 08:45:29 am »

My only issue with these roadshows is warranty service. You are essentially buying direct or if not direct, from a dealer who is not local to your area (see Masterspa)

Finding someone who can and will do warranty service on your roadshow tub might be an issue. You will want to thoroughly research this prior to buying.

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Buying a tub at a 20% to 35% savings from a brand new dealer?

« Last post by BullFrogSpasMN on December 23, 2023, 02:32:56 pm »

Little bit of advice...I would go in and find a spa that you and are interested in purchasing before worrying about negotiating between dealers, there could be other factors in the price gap, for example some dealers will price in long term financing (36/48/60 months @ 0%) which will cost the dealer between $1,500-$2,500 on average) so they have to cover those costs or some dealers just prefer to start higher than others which will allow for more of a discount.  Some dealers price in delivery + setup, some don't, some price in a high end step and a nice cover lifter, some include the cheapest lifter and steps available, etc. etc.

Once you find the spa you like, let both know you are prepared to buy and you'll find out their best price when your checkbook is in your hand regardless of posted or advertised prices.  Also buying from a newer dealers shouldn't be a deal breaker but I would check into how they are setup for servicing that spa, do they have in-house experienced technicians for example would be a great question to ask.

Also, just FYI the A9L has 7 jetpaks/3 pumps/circulation pump is optional, go in and test that bad boy, I'm sure you will love the jetting as it's incredible on all the Bullfrog A/M Series models and you almost have to go 'Select' which gives you the ability to pick from the 4 upgraded exteriors which are some of the best looking cabinets in the industry and the price gap between a 'Plus' and a 'Select' isn't really all that much relatively speaking to the cost of the spa...Good Luck!

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Buying a tub at a 20% to 35% savings from a brand new dealer?

« Last post by Davekro on December 23, 2023, 01:55:02 pm »

Anyone experience their dealer going out of business before the selling dealer's obligated to Bullfrog Parts, Plumbing & Labor 5-year warranty?
1) What would be Bullfrog or any other manufacturer's solution in this case?
2) What might be another local dealer's attitude or willingness to fulfill the last few years of a tubs Parts, Plumbing & Labor 5-year factory warranty?
3) Do dealer's bill the manufacturer for replacement parts -and- labor hours?
4) Or, do selling dealers just bill the factory for Parts and absorb the Labor Cost due to their sale of the tub and agreement with the manufacturer as a condition of carrying their line?
5) If #4 is the case, would another local dealer probably be willing to service your tub under warranty for Parts only, and they'd need to charge you for labor?
6) If #% were the case, after paying labor for a diagnostic service call, what are the chances of the manufacturer supplying parts directly to the customer to install himself?
7) Or leaving a dealer out of it, would Bullfrog send replacement parts to a customer directly? If so, I wonder what kind of proof of failure Bullfrog might require? Or would Bullfrog only cover parts that: a) a Bullfrog dealer's service tech said was required,  b) any independent spa service tech said was required?

Thanks, Dave

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Hot Tub Forum / Buying a tub at a 20% to 35% savings from a brand new dealer?

« Last post by Davekro on December 22, 2023, 10:36:21 pm »

I read here that buying from a reputable dealer with an established history is pretty important. Some have said that the dealer is as important as the spa's quality. That may be coming from dealers on this forum. Please know that I am in no way diss'ing the many valuable forum members who are dealers. They contribute a wealth of knowledge and seem to be very respectful not to dump on different brands. That is a gift all it's own! Heck, I'd be saying it if I was an established spa dealer. 

I ask because I have been quoted pricing on the Bullfrog A6L & A7L, all three trim levels, by a brand-new spa dealer which are very significantly lower than the largest dealer in my area with many stores. ≈ 28% lower on the two spas for the Standard Trim. ≈ 19% lower for the two spas for the Plus Trim. ≈ 20% lower for the two spas for the Select Trim. That's between a $3,000 to $5,000 difference from the large dealer's website posted prices.
The new dealer has two stores. The one that is an hour away has sold spas for 9 months. The store that I am talking to, 30 minutes away, has been open for 2 months. This new store also sells fireplaces. They have been in the fireplace business for 8–9 years and just added spas. This store has 13 spas on display, eight of them are Bullfrogs (A5L, A6L, A6, A7, A7D, A9L which is filled for wet tests, M8). That is way more than the larger dealer, because he also sells Sundance, which I believe is their primary over Bullfrog. I will be going to their store between Christmas and new year's with my wife to wet test all the JetPaks in the A9L, which has 8 JetPaks and 3 Jet Pumps.

Granted, I have not called the large dealer back and asked if they would price match the new store in the area. I would certainly do that when I get closer to settling on the specific model and Trim Level.

Assuming, for the sake of discussion, that the larger dealer would drop their price ≈ 1/3 of the new dealer's discounted amount. What dollar amount or percentage of price discount would you pay above the low price offer, to get the more experienced dealer? A dealer is obligated to Bullfrog Parts, Plumbing & Labor 5-year warranty.

To save $2,000 - $3,000 on the purchase price, I think I might lean on Bullfrog's reputation for quality and think there might not be any significant problems in that 5 year time frame. If it means saving $5,000 or 30%, I would definitely roll the dice for that amount of money personally.

So bottom line, what is the dollar or % amount you'd pay extra for a perceived, potential more experience service team for your five-year warranty. I am assuming the larger Bullfrog dealer's service dept would not deny servicing my Bullfrog tub out of warranty, when they are billing for parts and labor. Correct me if I am mistaken on this.

Thanks for any input from this knowledgeable community!
Dave
PS. Although it may seem like I am spamming the forum with Davekro posts, I am just very excited to learn as much as possible quickly so I can make a well-informed hot tub purchase decision. OK, and maybe somewhat OCD. LOL 
I am glad this community is here. I hope I am not annoying forum members with too many post/ questions. I will definitely post back what I learn here on the forum about my questions and other posts that I have some knowledge to share. I do believe posting back info... But that may become TMI also. Oye 

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Hot Tub Forum / Re: Order new tub With Circulation pump -or- Without? Why or Why Not?

« Last post by Davekro on December 22, 2023, 09:32:02 pm »

I think this topic would be very good to have a write-up on in the

Hot Tub Buying Guide

Just my 2 cents.