Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: brillskill on March 18, 2013, 06:28:35 pm
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So after all my research I ended up buying a geo spa ge730b-w http://www.wayfair.com/Geo-Spas-6-Person-Square-Plug-and-Play-Spa-With-30-Jets-GE730B-W-CALS1003.html ..paid 3232.79 after finding a 10% off coupon code and I got 328.28 in money I can use for anything on wayfair.com..tub comes with 2 year warranty on parts and labor so I think I got a good value..before u guys go off on me,I know it's not a hot spring!..and I know it's curbside delivery..but I'll be the ginne pig and let ya know if its any good
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Its cheap enough. I assume you don't live in a cold climate. If you do it could cost you 40-80 bucks more per month in electric. That adds up quick. Seems like the pumps are a bit small. Let us know how it feels. Swirling hot water or a hydro-massage.
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It's a cal spa company can't be that bad for 3200 bucks
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My only observation is that pump is real small for a 30 jet tub. Good luck with it
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Yea I'm sure it's not going to be powerful but for me it'll be fine for the 15 mins I spend it in and my kids def won't care
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Enjoy your new member of the family. :)
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Thx Dog!
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Here's another link....http://www.directspasales.com/geo730B.asp
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It's a cal spa company can't be that bad for 3200 bucks
Cal isn't exactly a brand I'd recommend but if you're looking for hot water more than jet action and at that price it'll be fine if it holds up. Hopefully it'll treat you well, good luck.
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cal spas..no good?
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cal spas..no good?
We sold Cal-spas for 2 years, the spa's are not that bad once you get the kinks out of some of them. Cal spa as a company is something else.. I don't know how some dealers have put up with them as long as they have??
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cal spas..no good?
pissedoffconsumer dot com....type in Calspas and read the horror stories
edit: and yes 1hp for 30 jets will be severely underpowered
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jim,do you know of this particular model?
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edit: and yes 1hp for 30 jets will be severely underpowered..its 2hp probably still weak..i am prepared for that..supposedly they are a lot better with customer service now..i called with many questions anfd they were completely professional and helpful..time will tell>>
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jim,do you know of this particular model?
No not at all..
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cal spas..no good?
pissedoffconsumer dot com....type in Calspas and read the horror stories
edit: and yes 1hp for 30 jets will be severely underpowered
Many of those pissed customers if you read through them tend to stem back to the dealer. Yes many of the spa's have issues but if the dealer doesn't fix the problem, you have a pissed customer that blames the spa.
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cal spas..no good?
pissedoffconsumer dot com....type in Calspas and read the horror stories
edit: and yes 1hp for 30 jets will be severely underpowered
Many of those pissed customers if you read through them tend to stem back to the dealer. Yes many of the spa's have issues but if the dealer doesn't fix the problem, you have a pissed customer that blames the spa.
many do, many don't...either way I'd still pick a dozen other brands over them
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thx for maKING me feel good about my purchase....
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cal spas..no good?
pissedoffconsumer dot com....type in Calspas and read the horror stories
I found it interesting that they were selling Cal out of Costco a few years ago. While I'm not a big fan of Cal due to their quality and how they care for their dealers and customers you knew Costco would at least be a buffer for the customer when issues came up with the spas.
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cal spas..no good?
pissedoffconsumer dot com....type in Calspas and read the horror stories
edit: and yes 1hp for 30 jets will be severely underpowered
Many of those pissed customers if you read through them tend to stem back to the dealer. Yes many of the spa's have issues but if the dealer doesn't fix the problem, you have a pissed customer that blames the spa.
many do, many don't...either way I'd still pick a dozen other brands over them
I would as well..
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thx for maKING me feel good about my purchase....
So after looking at the manual, it is basically a family or genesis spa from cal. Overall not a bad spa, most of the simpler ones run better than the more expensive ones from them. Just take care of it, keep the filter clean. You may have jet issues down the road they are not really "exclusive" in the industry and they are not really stainless steel. The cover over the plastic jet might be.. Anyway good luck to you!
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thx Jim,i realize "u get what u pay for" but i think for 3200 bucks (plus the 330 dollar wayfair credit) the tub should meet my expectations,its being delivered on march 28th ill post the results soon after
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thx for maKING me feel good about my purchase....
So after looking at the manual, it is basically a family or genesis spa from cal. Overall not a bad spa, most of the simpler ones run better than the more expensive ones from them. Just take care of it, keep the filter clean. You may have jet issues down the road they are not really "exclusive" in the industry and they are not really stainless steel. The cover over the plastic jet might be.. Anyway good luck to you!
You make a good point, while I would not recommend spas from the likes of makers such as Cal or Master if you do go that route you certainly want to stick with the most basic type spa which will be less apt to have issues.
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Btw Jim it's actually a step up from genesis,better pump acrylic a few better options
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This is unbelievable. A guy buys a tub and even says he will be the guinea pig and let every one know how it works out and the standard few can do nothing but say how bad it is. Or give him a site to go to to see how pissed off people are. I will guarantee every one that if brillskill finds the tub sucks he will be on here letting every one know. I REALLY hope the tub does every thing that brillskill wants and needs and he can just enjoy the tub and the thousands of dollars he saved.
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Again thx DoG!
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I REALLY hope the tub does every thing that brillskill wants and needs and he can just enjoy the tub and the thousands of dollars he saved.
I really hope that brillskill doesn't get turned off to hot tubs because his experience is only well, no big woop and if all tubs feel like this one, once it wears out, I don't want another one because they aren't that big a deal. And I hope he doesn't tell his friends they all feel like this so really no big deal. When really all tubs feel different and many company's spend a lot of money making sure you get a hydrotherapy massage instead of swirling hot water.
Saving thousands of dollars will get you swirling hot water. But likely not a hydrotherapy massage.
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I REALLY hope the tub does every thing that brillskill wants and needs and he can just enjoy the tub and the thousands of dollars he saved.
I really hope that brillskill doesn't get turned off to hot tubs because his experience is only well, no big woop and if all tubs feel like this one, once it wears out, I don't want another one because they aren't that big a deal. And I hope he doesn't tell his friends they all feel like this so really no big deal. When really all tubs feel different and many company's spend a lot of money making sure you get a hydrotherapy massage instead of swirling hot water.
Saving thousands of dollars will get you swirling hot water. But likely not a hydrotherapy massage.
Are you serious. I guess you would say the same about me buying a BMW 335i instead of a Ferrari 458 Italia. I am positive in saying that brillskill won't be running down the road yelling don't buy a hot tub they all SUCK. He knows the decision he made might have mixed results or could be PERFECT for him.
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This is unbelievable. A guy buys a tub and even says he will be the guinea pig and let every one know how it works out and the standard few can do nothing but say how bad it is. Or give him a site to go to to see how pissed off people are. I will guarantee every one that if brillskill finds the tub sucks he will be on here letting every one know. I REALLY hope the tub does every thing that brillskill wants and needs and he can just enjoy the tub and the thousands of dollars he saved.
he asked, sorry If I didn't sugar coat it enough for you....you want honest opinions on here or do you want all "fluff and puff" like you get on "paid for" advertising websites? can't have it both ways sorry
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This is unbelievable. A guy buys a tub and even says he will be the guinea pig and let every one know how it works out and the standard few can do nothing but say how bad it is. Or give him a site to go to to see how pissed off people are. I will guarantee every one that if brillskill finds the tub sucks he will be on here letting every one know. I REALLY hope the tub does every thing that brillskill wants and needs and he can just enjoy the tub and the thousands of dollars he saved.
Don't misunderstand, we all hope that the spa does well and no one is saying it won't. At the same time people come here in part for opinions and we gave ours. Were we supposed to lie about what we think of Cal and say "Yeah, I think Cal is a great choice"? If so then the next guy comes around and sees a less than honest opinion given and maybe thinks "Well all the professionals like Cal it must be great". I'm sure there are a lot of happy Cal owners out there and hopefully this will make one more.
Like I've said before, if for example we say the best spas have maybe a 95% satisfaction rating then maybe we say Cal has a 75% rating (I'm making these numbers up to make a point). While that is a huge difference overall it would still mean 3 out of 4 Cal people were satisfied. We're looking at the whole when we say we think there are better choices out there than Cal but certainly this one spa could make him/her very happy and as was said earlier by JJ, its a simpler model and the more simple they are the less likely you are to run into issues.
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Once again some people just can't look past their nose. In this thread by Brillskill he was not asking for opinions on what he was THINKING of buying but made a thread on what he bought. All that was needed to be said by any one was congratulation and hope it works out well for you.
There are many other threads asking questions and opinions on what he was looking at and he got MANY responses by all the experts. Brillskill made his decision and bought what he thought would be fine for him. It really is that simple.
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Once again some people just can't look past their nose. In this thread by Brillskill he was not asking for opinions on what he was THINKING of buying but made a thread on what he bought. All that was needed to be said by any one was congratulation and hope it works out well for you.
There are many other threads asking questions and opinions on what he was looking at and he got MANY responses by all the experts. Brillskill made his decision and bought what he thought would be fine for him. It really is that simple.
It is simple but you still don't get it.
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Are you serious. I guess you would say the same about me buying a BMW 335i instead of a Ferrari 458 Italia. I am positive in saying that brillskill won't be running down the road yelling don't buy a hot tub they all SUCK. He knows the decision he made might have mixed results or could be PERFECT for him.
No I wouldn't say that at all. I think if you re-read my post you will see that rather than compare two high end hot tubs I was comparing a very much value hot tub to a high end hydrotherapy machine (which by the way I never mention any brand) Now if you were to say I was comparing the Beamer to say a Kia then yes I am serious. A Kia drives like shit compared to the Beamer.
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I fail to see that anyone was out of line in anything that has been said. It was a discussion where people were giving their opinions on the brand at hand and I'm sure everyone wishes the best for every spa purchase discussed here no matter the brand.
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Once again some people just can't look past their nose. In this thread by Brillskill he was not asking for opinions on what he was THINKING of buying but made a thread on what he bought. All that was needed to be said by any one was congratulation and hope it works out well for you.
There are many other threads asking questions and opinions on what he was looking at and he got MANY responses by all the experts. Brillskill made his decision and bought what he thought would be fine for him. It really is that simple.
your a real piece of work...and just so I'm understanding this correctly, Brill made this EXACT post on page 1 of this EXACT thread "cal spas..no good?" and my answer to that is supposed to be (according to you)...Congrats on your new spa? makes tons of sense doesn't it? ???
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My suggestion to anyone that feels threads around here are not going in the "proper" direction, is to start their own website with their own message board, over which they can control the content of the people posting.
aka, if'n ya don't like what's goin on here, LEAVE
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After all this the more I research the better I feel about this..especially the price I paid..again I will give my completely honest run down on this thing as soon as I jump in it..I hope to be helping those who just want a decent soaker for relatively little money..tbd..
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in refernce to the pump..couldnt i technically reolace the pump with a larger (more hp) if i wanted to?
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If it's a 110v/220v spa your stuck with a 110v motor the highest you can go I think is a 2hp pump? Might make a little difference in the feel of pressure.
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yes i meant on 220..calspa sells this model..under a diff name with a 5.5 hp pump..
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btw the the pump is 2 hp..not 1.5
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here is pretty much the same model under a different name which is sold through dealers..pretty much identical....http://calspas.com/aqua-select-spas/aqua-select-as730b/
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Didn't the spa you buy was either 110/220v? Even if you hook up 220v to the spa the motor still stays 110v so you can't put a 220v motor in a 110/220v spa. Can't remember if you can change the jumpers on it to accept a 220v motor pretty sure you can't??
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im confused isnt the motor the pump?..so couldnt i just change the pump from 110 2 hp to 220 5.5 hp if i hard wire to 220?
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No, the only thing that changes when converting a 110 spa to 220 is the heater via a jumper. Everything else still remains 110v like the motor/pump what ever you want to call it..
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Yes I understand that, my question was cant I replace 2hp pump with 5.5hp pump if I hard wire to 220?
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I believe on these is the 110v runs the pumps, so it can only go to a 2hp. The 110/220 runs the heater. So by running 220 your only going to make it stay hotter better in cold conditions, but doesn't help the pumps.
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Yes I understand that, my question was cant I replace 2hp pump with 5.5hp pump if I hard wire to 220?
Yes, possibly. The control head should be able to run a 110 OR 220 main pump, but there must be a jumper or second location to plug the wire to the pump into. Look at the wiring diagram and see if it allows you to run the main pump on dual voltages.
Having said that, you really don't want to just put in a larger pump. It may not give you better action at the jets due to the size of the plumbing. May simply not be big enough to move more water, at least not enough to make it worth the money.
And, for the record, I doubt that the pump marked "5.5hp" is really a five and a half HP pump. They rarely are: only a couple of tub makers use real numbers, the rest mark their pumps with pretty much whatever number helps them sell tubs.
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(http://www.rhtubs.com/ebay/pump5.jpg)
If you replace JUST the motor, the pump will operate exactly the same as before. You'd also have to replace the impeller, and it's unlikely making such a jump in size the impeller would fit in the existing wet end.
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I'd stick with what you're getting for now. If you find it too weak and/or the pump fails after warranty (or maybe during if they come up with some loophole to refuse to honor the warranty, sorry its Cal) you can "up pump" it to a higher HP but as was said what you gain may depend on the plumbing. If you do I probably wouldn't up pump it more than an extra half HP for that reason and believe it or not on a spa that size I think you'd notice an extra half HP.
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Ok Ty..I was just curious Bruce me I am not changing the pump
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Warranty starts on the date of manufacture. Bogus. Warranty does not address labor. Warranty is full of disclaimers. Not true plug n play. Requires 20 amp circuit. 425 gallons on 110v? Not reasonable.
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"Requires 15 amp dedicated circuit"
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i know you read warranty starts from date of manufacture,i was just sent warranty comfirmation..2 years from my official delivery date...btw when i called to ask about that the first response was "all tubs are built to order so its around 2 years anyway"..needless to say i wasnt having any of that!
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i know you read warranty starts from date of manufacture,i was just sent warranty comfirmation..2 years from my official delivery date...btw when i called to ask about that the first response was "all tubs are built to order so its around 2 years anyway"..needless to say i wasnt having any of that!
I imagine they keep minimal stock of built units and largely do build to order but its not uncommon for there to be a good month between the date of build and the date its installed, and sometimes longer. Cal does not have a great reputation for honoring their warranty to the dealer and customer and 1 month is a good chunk of time when your warranty is only 2 years so if it ever came to you having an issue where that time difference mattered I'd fully expect them to use it to their advantage, that’s just always been their way and its why they wrote the warranty that way. Again, I think the best thing going for you is this is an entry level spa with a shorter warranty, smaller with less things to go wrong so I'm certainly not expecting gloom and doom its just that when I see they have something that says the warranty starts upon the date the spa is built I'd fully expect that to be what they use when the time comes despite anything some customer rep says on the phone.
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i agree, whitch is why i was assured on delivery i would have the full 2 year in writing or refuse delivery
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i agree, whitch is why i was assured on delivery i would have the full 2 year in writing or refuse delivery
Assured in what way? Will it say that on an invoice? No offense but this is Cal, they do their darndest to avoid paying for warranty claims.
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Most manufacturers warranties have some type of clause saying something to the effect, that no other warranties, written or implied are valid. So, if the DEALER offers you something different that what the manufacturer has in writing, it would be the DEALERS responsibility to cover it....good luck on that one. I can't even begin to count the number of dealers/retail establishments that have gone under due to offering their own "extended warranties", and not having the resources to cover them when the time comes.
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not dealing with a dealer,buying from a drop ship internet retailer,cal spas assured me on delivery date i would get a written full 2 year warranty direct from cal spa via email and product registration..on my amex so if this is not the case i aint paying..
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not dealing with a dealer,buying from a drop ship internet retailer,cal spas assured me on delivery date i would get a written full 2 year warranty direct from cal spa via email and product registration..on my amex so if this is not the case i aint paying..
I think you've done all you can do about this. You won't truly know unless an issue arises where you have a problem with about a month to go with the warranty and I'd fully expect them to initially attempt to deny it but if you have a good paper trail you may just be fine. Good luck and hope all works out well for you.
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yea i think so too,,just so ya know if i get a few good years outa this thing ill be satisfied,,after all i know what to except for 3 grand...btw heres the model just branded differently...http://calspas.com/aqua-select-spas/aqua-select-as730b/
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"Requires 15 amp dedicated circuit"
Owner's manual says 20 amp circuit. Buyer beware.
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Yea I read that..luckily I'm replacing another 110 and already have 20 amp dedicated
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Yea "buy a decent used hot tub" look at the posts by hotub63..
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Yea "buy a decent used hot tub" look at the posts by hotub63..
Usually something to good to be true is just that. Buying a used tub From a dealer with a warranty is the way to go with used tubs
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Yea "buy a decent used hot tub" look at the posts by hotub63..
Actually its "buy a decent used spa but inspect it yourself first to be sure its fully operating". Of course that may have happened and the move may have created or exposed an issue as can happen. I'm not sure of the exact details. There is always an inherent risk when buying used from an individual instead of a dealer but the person buying it knows this and choses the route because you can get more for less but a certain % of the time you'll have an issue to resolve. It may be simple and he may be wise to bring in someone experienced to diagnose it.
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Now he needs to remove a"filter stand pipe"..lmfao !!!
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Now he needs to remove a"filter stand pipe"..lmfao !!!
I'm not sure if you know how meaningless that is. Thats the equivalent of somone asking how to remove the license plate on your car. Actually its easier to do and is made simply to unscrew but he was unaware, its not a problem as i believe you had surmised.
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No ..I actually know u simply unscrew it..just thought it was hilarious he asked:)
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No ..I actually know u simply unscrew it..just thought it was hilarious he asked:)
We prefer to help people, not laugh at them because their question seems stupid.
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No ..I actually know u simply unscrew it..just thought it was hilarious he asked:)
We prefer to help people, not laugh at them because their question seems stupid.
No on here they just post a picture of some guy they think is me with a gun. Class act
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Help people ?..perhaps you do.. As for many others if its not the tub they sell than its no good..btw I meant no disrespect with my comment about un screwing the cap..my point was its just one more issue he has with his used tub ..Dog I know they take everything very serious up in here !..:)
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Brillskill you are going to get the same comment I got when I came here and actually questioned the special ones why some thing was better or prove to me what they were saying was correct. All I got was "this site was great until you showed up" I'm not politically correct and never will be. I will question ANY ONE that says something is better then something else with out any proof except for "I saw it with my own eyes" :P
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I hear ya Dog..btw my geo is being delivered Tuesday ..I'll give the complete TRUE run down on it
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I will be waiting to hear how it goes. You already know if the review is good you will get "it's OK now but it won't hold up like the the expensive tubs" If you say it has any problems you will then get "we told you it was a waste of money" It's a no win but who gives a rats behind. Hope every thing goes well for you and the new tub.
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Hey Bimmerdog, enough! In some aspects, tell me you don't feel the same about golf clubs. Costco/Wal-Mart clubs made by Callaway/Taylor made vs Callaway or Taylor made for the brick and mortar store. There is a huge difference of quality.. Tell me I am wrong! And I am sure you have talked to store owners that hate the fact Callaway and Taylor made build for them. But I have to say you slamming us every chance you get is getting a bit old and find it offensive!! It's like me arguing with you about the new equipment that comes out from golf company's every 6 months. One can pay 500 for the new latest greatest adjustable driver, six months later is marked down to 199.00 in a discount bin because a newer one just came out that does the same thing.. It's the arrow not the Indian right?
I am on a couple of golf forums where guys would eat you alive and probably many other reps that think they know what they are talking about when it comes to equipment. I am not saying you don't know your stuff, but I have tried new equipment and talked to reps at the range that don't know chit about flexes and fittings for a customer, they are used car salesman. Ping I will say is probably one of the best and if the reps are not cutting it they are gone.
If you have something positive to add here please hang around, but stop all the negativity towards us and what we know!
Thank you 8)
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Hey Bimmerdog, enough! In some aspects, tell me you don't feel the same about golf clubs. Costco/Wal-Mart clubs made by Callaway/Taylor made vs Callaway or Taylor made for the brick and mortar store. There is a huge difference of quality.. Tell me I am wrong! And I am sure you have talked to store owners that hate the fact Callaway and Taylor made build for them. But I have to say you slamming us every chance you get is getting a bit old and find it offensive!! It's like me arguing with you about the new equipment that comes out from golf company's every 6 months. One can pay 500 for the new latest greatest adjustable driver, six months later is marked down to 199.00 in a discount bin because a newer one just came out that does the same thing.. It's the arrow not the Indian right?
I am on a couple of golf forums where guys would eat you alive and probably many other reps that think they know what they are talking about when it comes to equipment. I am not saying you don't know your stuff, but I have tried new equipment and talked to reps at the range that don't know chit about flexes and fittings for a customer, they are used car salesman. Ping I will say is probably one of the best and if the reps are not cutting it they are gone.
If you have something positive to add here please hang around, but stop all the negativity towards us and what we know!
Thank you 8)
Jim don't waste your time, your arguing with someone who has the critical thinking skills of a small child..its not worth the effort
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Hey Bimmerdog, enough! In some aspects, tell me you don't feel the same about golf clubs. Costco/Wal-Mart clubs made by Callaway/Taylor made vs Callaway or Taylor made for the brick and mortar store. There is a huge difference of quality.. Tell me I am wrong! And I am sure you have talked to store owners that hate the fact Callaway and Taylor made build for them. But I have to say you slamming us every chance you get is getting a bit old and find it offensive!! It's like me arguing with you about the new equipment that comes out from golf company's every 6 months. One can pay 500 for the new latest greatest adjustable driver, six months later is marked down to 199.00 in a discount bin because a newer one just came out that does the same thing.. It's the arrow not the Indian right?
I am on a couple of golf forums where guys would eat you alive and probably many other reps that think they know what they are talking about when it comes to equipment. I am not saying you don't know your stuff, but I have tried new equipment and talked to reps at the range that don't know chit about flexes and fittings for a customer, they are used car salesman. Ping I will say is probably one of the best and if the reps are not cutting it they are gone.
If you have something positive to add here please hang around, but stop all the negativity towards us and what we know!
Thank you 8)
Jim don't waste your time, your arguing with someone who has the critical thinking skills of a small child..its not worth the effort
So sad that some just don't get it. If some one asked me my opinion on golf clubs I would give it. I would never tell some one they are making a mistake for buying a product that I don't agree with. If some one comes on here or a golf club forum and said they are or have bought some thing I feel is not a good product all I would say is "hope you enjoy your new product" Not like some of you that have to try and make the person that bought the product feel bad about his purchase.
I'm not going anywhere and I WILL question the elite anytime something is said with no proof. Get used to it BOYS. Oops I said boys
Dear TwinCities my critical thinking skills helped me retire when I was 46. Come down to my place in Nuevo Vallarta and play golf with me. If you don't like that place our place in Cancun is pretty nice or our place in Punta Cana. I didn't get to where I am in life by letting people walk on me or say things they can't back up. My critical thinking skills won't let this small child read post by an elite telling his product is better with out any proof. If proof is shown then I never question it.
I have nothing against anyone on this forum. You can call me all the 6th grade names and post pictures of some one that is not me. I was always taught people that have to do these kinds of things do it to make themselves feel better. So I am glad I can make you feel better about yourself. See I am here to help.
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Can't we all just get along:)...it's just hot tubs:)
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Can't we all just get along:)...it's just hot tubs:)
Since I've ben here everyone has got along for the most part, sometimes one dealer calls out another for overstating an opnion or something but its always been pretty civil between customers, spa pros, etc.. This has been the only continuing exception for the most part.
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Sorry..I started it
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Sorry..I started it
You didn't start anything. This is a continuation.
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Critical thinking skills....hahaha
Our experience means nothing.
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Hey Bimmerdog, enough! In some aspects, tell me you don't feel the same about golf clubs. Costco/Wal-Mart clubs made by Callaway/Taylor made vs Callaway or Taylor made for the brick and mortar store. There is a huge difference of quality.. Tell me I am wrong! And I am sure you have talked to store owners that hate the fact Callaway and Taylor made build for them. But I have to say you slamming us every chance you get is getting a bit old and find it offensive!! It's like me arguing with you about the new equipment that comes out from golf company's every 6 months. One can pay 500 for the new latest greatest adjustable driver, six months later is marked down to 199.00 in a discount bin because a newer one just came out that does the same thing.. It's the arrow not the Indian right?
I am on a couple of golf forums where guys would eat you alive and probably many other reps that think they know what they are talking about when it comes to equipment. I am not saying you don't know your stuff, but I have tried new equipment and talked to reps at the range that don't know chit about flexes and fittings for a customer, they are used car salesman. Ping I will say is probably one of the best and if the reps are not cutting it they are gone.
If you have something positive to add here please hang around, but stop all the negativity towards us and what we know!
Thank you 8)
Jim don't waste your time, your arguing with someone who has the critical thinking skills of a small child..its not worth the effort
So sad that some just don't get it. If some one asked me my opinion on golf clubs I would give it. I would never tell some one they are making a mistake for buying a product that I don't agree with. If some one comes on here or a golf club forum and said they are or have bought some thing I feel is not a good product all I would say is "hope you enjoy your new product" Not like some of you that have to try and make the person that bought the product feel bad about his purchase.
I'm not going anywhere and I WILL question the elite anytime something is said with no proof. Get used to it BOYS. Oops I said boys
Dear TwinCities my critical thinking skills helped me retire when I was 46. Come down to my place in Nuevo Vallarta and play golf with me. If you don't like that place our place in Cancun is pretty nice or our place in Punta Cana. I didn't get to where I am in life by letting people walk on me or say things they can't back up. My critical thinking skills won't let this small child read post by an elite telling his product is better with out any proof. If proof is shown then I never question it.
I have nothing against anyone on this forum. You can call me all the 6th grade names and post pictures of some one that is not me. I was always taught people that have to do these kinds of things do it to make themselves feel better. So I am glad I can make you feel better about yourself. See I am here to help.
So, if you have all these cool vacation homes, why didn't you get a hot tub to match your lifestyle? You know they are out there and you can afford it.
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His critical thinking skills tell him there is no difference between a cheapo tub and an expensive tub. So why spend the extra money.
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His critical thinking skills tell him there is no difference between a cheapo tub and an expensive tub. So why spend the extra money.
How did I miss this intelligent post by such an intelligent person. I guess it was because I was out having fun playing golf at some incredible golf courses in Florida. Now to you stupid (and yes I SAID STUPID) remarks as usually by you Tman. First I have never said there is no difference between expensive tubs and as you so eloquently say "cheapo tubs". There are some people in this world that don't need to spend a lot of money to enjoy something. I understand that is hard for some one like you to comprehend but it does happen.
And to hottubdan you might want to do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. I feel my Sundance Optima hot tub with the Bluewave sound system is just fine for my lifestyle.
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His critical thinking skills tell him there is no difference between a cheapo tub and an expensive tub. So why spend the extra money.
How did I miss this intelligent post by such an intelligent person. I guess it was because I was out having fun playing golf at some incredible golf courses in Florida. Now to you stupid (and yes I SAID STUPID) remarks as usually by you Tman. First I have never said there is no difference between expensive tubs and as you so eloquently say "cheapo tubs". There are some people in this world that don't need to spend a lot of money to enjoy something. I understand that is hard for some one like you to comprehend but it does happen.
And to hottubdan you might want to do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. I feel my Sundance Optima hot tub with the Bluewave sound system is just fine for my lifestyle.
Your right I apologize for my comments. You come off as very condescending with your bragging post's about how much of a big shot you think you are so it is difficult to not give you crap. I think you should really tone that down though because you truly have no idea about any of us and maybe your supposed fancy lifestyle and early retirement and all the other crap is not that impressive to some of us. Off to Northern Ontario for a little fishing on a remote lake. Hope the weather holds I hate flying in lousy weather.
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His critical thinking skills tell him there is no difference between a cheapo tub and an expensive tub. So why spend the extra money.
How did I miss this intelligent post by such an intelligent person. I guess it was because I was out having fun playing golf at some incredible golf courses in Florida. Now to you stupid (and yes I SAID STUPID) remarks as usually by you Tman. First I have never said there is no difference between expensive tubs and as you so eloquently say "cheapo tubs". There are some people in this world that don't need to spend a lot of money to enjoy something. I understand that is hard for some one like you to comprehend but it does happen.
And to hottubdan you might want to do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. I feel my Sundance Optima hot tub with the Bluewave sound system is just fine for my lifestyle.
Your right I apologize for my comments. You come off as very condescending with your bragging post's about how much of a big shot you think you are so it is difficult to not give you crap. I think you should really tone that down though because you truly have no idea about any of us and maybe your supposed fancy lifestyle and early retirement and all the other crap is not that impressive to some of us. Off to Northern Ontario for a little fishing on a remote lake. Hope the weather holds I hate flying in lousy weather.
He thinks he is here to save everyone that comes here from the evil spa pros. When someone has a Messiah Complex like Bimmer its a waste of time to attempt to reason with them.
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His critical thinking skills tell him there is no difference between a cheapo tub and an expensive tub. So why spend the extra money.
How did I miss this intelligent post by such an intelligent person. I guess it was because I was out having fun playing golf at some incredible golf courses in Florida. Now to you stupid (and yes I SAID STUPID) remarks as usually by you Tman. First I have never said there is no difference between expensive tubs and as you so eloquently say "cheapo tubs". There are some people in this world that don't need to spend a lot of money to enjoy something. I understand that is hard for some one like you to comprehend but it does happen.
And to hottubdan you might want to do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. I feel my Sundance Optima hot tub with the Bluewave sound system is just fine for my lifestyle.
Your right I apologize for my comments. You come off as very condescending with your bragging post's about how much of a big shot you think you are so it is difficult to not give you crap. I think you should really tone that down though because you truly have no idea about any of us and maybe your supposed fancy lifestyle and early retirement and all the other crap is not that impressive to some of us. Off to Northern Ontario for a little fishing on a remote lake. Hope the weather holds I hate flying in lousy weather.
He thinks he is here to save everyone that comes here from the evil spa pros. When someone has a Messiah Complex like Bimmer its a waste of time to attempt to reason with them.
My favorite post of all time ;D
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His critical thinking skills tell him there is no difference between a cheapo tub and an expensive tub. So why spend the extra money.
How did I miss this intelligent post by such an intelligent person. I guess it was because I was out having fun playing golf at some incredible golf courses in Florida. Now to you stupid (and yes I SAID STUPID) remarks as usually by you Tman. First I have never said there is no difference between expensive tubs and as you so eloquently say "cheapo tubs". There are some people in this world that don't need to spend a lot of money to enjoy something. I understand that is hard for some one like you to comprehend but it does happen.
And to hottubdan you might want to do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. I feel my Sundance Optima hot tub with the Bluewave sound system is just fine for my lifestyle.
Your right I apologize for my comments. You come off as very condescending with your bragging post's about how much of a big shot you think you are so it is difficult to not give you crap. I think you should really tone that down though because you truly have no idea about any of us and maybe your supposed fancy lifestyle and early retirement and all the other crap is not that impressive to some of us. Off to Northern Ontario for a little fishing on a remote lake. Hope the weather holds I hate flying in lousy weather.
Hope the weather was good for you and the fish were happy to jump on your hook. I hate hate hate flying into bad weather.
As far as trying to impress any one I was not and never will try to do that. I said what I said about the places we have because I was inviting TwinCities to come on down and play golf. What I know about hot tubs would fit in most of the guys on here pinky finger. I am learning more every day from here and other sites. I am just a guy that will not let people just spout out things and not back them up. You never see me in any chemical conversations because I know so little I have nothing to add to the conversation. Now some one tell a person not to buy a tub from Costco because they have a crappy return policy or no return policy I will jump in and give the right info. If this makes me bad then I guess I'm a bad guy for giving the correct info. The way I do it may offend some but if I'm attacked I will be up for a good internet battle :)
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Taking off and landing on a frozen lake is pretty cool. The ride wasn't to bumpy. I can handle any bumps in a jumbo jet. Fishing was good.
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Fishing was good.
Good for you or good for the fish?
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Both. We sent plenty back to the fishing gods and kept plenty to fill our bellys.
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Hi Brillskill,
I had a customer call and ask me about GEO spas. I had never heard of them, but I remembered that I saw a thread on this forum about it. I stumbled across this thread. Did you ever get your Geo spa delivered yet? If so, how did it go, and what are your experiences so far? Just curious.
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I hear ya Dog..btw my geo is being delivered Tuesday ..I'll give the complete TRUE run down on it
Did you ever give your TRUE run down on the Geo spa Brillskill, or did I just miss it somewhere else? I think maybe I showed up to late to this party.. :-\
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yes i got it..love it!! acrylic is beautiful runs very quiet,jets look nice are well placed and provide a nice massage.its hooked up to 110 so it initially took a while to heat up..(water temp was 49 when i filled it) but mantains temp fine..only down side is heater shuts off when running on high speed...i paid less than 3300 for it and got a 10% STORE CREDIT ..you would easily think this tub was was 6 grand plus if you saw it or soaked in it..highlky recommend it..and will probably just keep it at 110...if you need anymore info feel free to ask
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btw this is the same model just branded different (geo is internet only)...http://calspas.com/aqua-select-spas/aqua-select-as730b/
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Good to hear and thanks for sharing!!
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.i paid less than 3300 for it and got a 10% STORE CREDIT ..you would easily think this tub was was 6 grand plus if you saw it
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can get an awful lot of tub for 6 grand or more. 3 thousand dollars tubs are a dime a dozen and to me there is no comparison. Being sort of in the industry there's things I notice that the consumer wouldn't and if it feels good to you that's what's important.
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neighbor has a grandee..brother hAS a nordic,,been in both a gazillion times..i would put my geo up against any nordic as far as comparison..of course its not comparible to the grandee..again like you said its just my opinion
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neighbor has a grandee..brother hAS a nordic,,been in both a gazillion times..i would put my geo up against any nordic as far as comparison..of course its not comparible to the grandee..again like you said its just my opinion
Yea I would say a 3000 dollar Nordic would be a good comparison. An 8 grand Grande is in a different league. And an 6500 dollar Sweet water. Or a 5 grand Artesian. A 4 grand Hot Spot. Better feel better longevity in my opinion. But to each his own. You get what you pay for. But you are entitled to think you got 6 grand worth of tub for 3 grand and I don't have to agree.
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This is last time I will respond to what seems like what will turn into an argument.. I really believe I got an excellent value because I shopped the web and also avoided a dealer..the company I bought the tub from simply drop shipped it to me ..the savings in that is what makes up the difference btwn what I paid and the 6k tubs you speak of IMO ..the same exact tub ( branded differently) at a calspa dealer is 5500 plus tax..now you can say that my tub is a piece of shit calspa because calspas are shit..but no matter what you say or any other person says ..I believe I got a great tub at a great value and again it's just my OPINION..my entire original point was just for me to give my opinion on the tub I bought ...
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I don't think it's fair to compare a 3 thousand dollar tub to a 6 thousand dollar tub. It is fair to compare it to a 6 thousand dollar calspa. Cal dropped it because it was over priced and a non sellor and sent it to wayfair to get rid of them. Is it a good value? You can't say today, but you can in a few years based on it's performance. That's reality.
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Ok..now your are just guessing...the tub I bought was built after I bought it..I know this for a fact!..they build them for the Internet retailers after they get the orders..
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Hey brillskill so glad you are enjoying your new tub. It's so much fun to see some people get upset because you are happy with your tub and it's valvue. And you know it can't be any good because it didn't cost you more. Have a great day :)
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The only thing that really matters is how you feel about your purchase. You are happy about it and hopefully the tub lasts for a long time. Happy Hot Tubbing!
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Thank you
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Hey brillskill so glad you are enjoying your new tub. It's so much fun to see some people get upset because you are happy with your tub and it's valvue. And you know it can't be any good because it didn't cost you more. Have a great day ..Dog u are right this guy just makes assumptions cal made it and it was overpriced so they just dumped it on way fair..ridiculous statement!..Watkins makes free flows and they are shit so they dump them on Costco and all the other Internet retailers..it's almost as if mr calspa beat him up and mr Watkins than jumped in and took out mr calspa..
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I'm happy he is happy, not upset. He said he got 6000 dollars or more worth of tub for 3 thousand. That's simply not true. Talk about a ridiculous statement.
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Your right..cause I didn't pay the dealer markup..so I actually got 8000 dollar worth of hot tub..lmfao!!
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Unless you are buying directly from the factory, there is a 3rd party mark-up. Also, if you buy a $6K spa from a dealer, you will probably get a better warranty than 2 years. The 2 year shell warranty on that spa is the lowest that I have ever seen. 5-7 years is usually what you would get on a $6k spa. I know of a couple that have lifetime shell warranties that sell for around $3-4k. You would also get more than a 2BHP pump. BHP means break horse power, which is an artificially inflated number. That is in reality probably a 1hp pump, which is highlighted by the fact that you need a diverter valve with only 30 jets. Dealer support also has a value, which you do not get ordering over the internet.
I'm not typing this to be argumentative. Merely to provide information for the consumer who reads this thread and may believe that you did in fact get a $6k tub for $3k. You did not, though I wish you the best. If it meets your needs then you did well.
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You are right ,i didnt spend $6000,I got a great hot tub that I wanted for $3280 plus $328 in store credit which I used for steps, a cool step 2 mailbox and a great pink tricycle for my daughter..
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You are right ,i didnt spend $6000,I got a great hot tub that I wanted for $3280 plus $328 in store credit which I used for steps, a cool step 2 mailbox and a great pink tricycle for my daughter..
A tricycle? Sweet!!! You know it really sucks that you are happy with such a bad tub. I hope no one ever reads your thread on here. They will think that all hot tubs come with a pink trike. Now I know the world is coming to an end. Damn, where are my golf clubs? They are going with me to the after life. I hear there are some great courses up there.
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Lol!!..Dog..plus I still have like 40 bucks left in credit...haters are always goings to hate!
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Lol!!..Dog..plus I still have like 40 bucks left in credit...haters are always goings to hate!
Some of us will always hate bad information. A 6000 dollar or more for 3 grand wow what a deal you found!! Come on guys. I am very happy you are comfortable with your 3 thousand dollar tub. But that's what it is a 3 thousand dollar tub. Nothing more. Outrages claims will always be refuted here. If that makes me a hater so be it. Just like the Costco guys of the past and present that seem to come and go in less than a year or 2. It is what it is a 3000 dollar tub for 3000 dollars nothing more.
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Lol this thread is still going.
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Nothing more?..what about the pink tricycle??
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Btw Tman..all I said was "you would easily think it was a 6000 tub if you saw it or soaked in it"..he asked my opinion and I gave it..I'm just a consumer not a spa professional..(one could dream) again you must've been abused by a calspa or 3000 dollar tub salesman when you were a kid cause u can't let this go
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Nothing more?..what about the pink tricycle??
Forgot about the pink tricycle.
Not abused just heard this a hundred times in the past. Been a member since forever.
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Btw Tman..all I said was "you would easily think it was a 6000 tub if you saw it or soaked in it"..he asked my opinion and I gave it..I'm just a consumer not a spa professional..(one could dream) again you must've been abused by a calspa or 3000 dollar tub salesman when you were a kid cause u can't let this go
This might be the funniest thing I have read on here. Nicely done sir ;D
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:)
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Who can't let it go????
geezzzzzzzzzz
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Hey brillskill so glad you are enjoying your new tub. It's so much fun to see some people get upset because you are happy with your tub and it's valvue. And you know it can't be any good because it didn't cost you more. Have a great day ..Dog u are right this guy just makes assumptions cal made it and it was overpriced so they just dumped it on way fair..ridiculous statement!..Watkins makes free flows and they are shit so they dump them on Costco and all the other Internet retailers..it's almost as if mr calspa beat him up and mr Watkins than jumped in and took out mr calspa..
WITF are you taking about? Please don't drink and post!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_xKr3jbpJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QH6Op6_YA
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not dealing with a dealer,buying from a drop ship internet retailer,cal spas assured me on delivery date i would get a written full 2 year warranty direct from cal spa via email and product registration..on my amex so if this is not the case i aint paying..
Brill, I am glad you are happy with your tub. That is all that matters really. But, in regards to the warranty, I did have some questions with that as it sounds you really did your research on this. If you do need service under warranty, who will do that? Does Cal just send someone out for you, or are you responsible to find somebody to service it. Also, with the delivery, you said it was drop shipped? Did you take it from there and install it, or did you hire to have someone do that for you.
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not dealing with a dealer,buying from a drop ship internet retailer,cal spas assured me on delivery date i would get a written full 2 year warranty direct from cal spa via email and product registration..on my amex so if this is not the case i aint paying..
Brill, I am glad you are happy with your tub. That is all that matters really. But, in regards to the warranty, I did have some questions with that as it sounds you really did your research on this. If you do need service under warranty, who will do that? Does Cal just send someone out for you, or are you responsible to find somebody to service it. Also, with the delivery, you said it was drop shipped? Did you take it from there and install it, or did you hire to have someone do that for you.
I imagine it came with a short warranty and I'm sure there can be arrangements made to have someone come out and review the spa if an issue comes about (at which time Cal will most likely use their handy random excuse generator to come up with a reason why they will not warranty whatever the issue). The thing Brill has going for him/her is this is a basic spa so there is less to go wrong with it in the first place. Its just a $3k output and you expect less for such a spa so its really just about longevity, down time and cost/severity of any repairs and you can only cross your fingers at this point anyway. I'd never get a Cal or recommend one but not every one is destined for trouble so who knows what the outcome will be though time will tell.
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cal sends the local authorized dealer out...as far as delivery they literally dropped it in the front of my driveway,i hired a spa moving company to move it to my backyard and place on my deck..wayfair wanted an extra 50 bucks for liftgate but i got it waved
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Dr spa...Jan 31, 2013
steve anonby
"Calspa is one of my competitors, so I have no vested interest in defending these guys. (Steve Anonby from Hot Tubs Galore in Vancouver, BC). But I feel angry when I watch this video, because I've heard the the back-story on this situation, and there's a lot more to this story than the vengeful narrator is telling. Apparently Calspa did offer him a replacement but a competitor paid the video poster to keep it on. Poor Calspa has no recourse for this unfair attack"
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Dr spa...Jan 31, 2013
steve anonby
"Calspa is one of my competitors, so I have no vested interest in defending these guys. (Steve Anonby from Hot Tubs Galore in Vancouver, BC). But I feel angry when I watch this video, because I've heard the the back-story on this situation, and there's a lot more to this story than the vengeful narrator is telling. Apparently Calspa did offer him a replacement but a competitor paid the video poster to keep it on. Poor Calspa has no recourse for this unfair attack"
OK maybe so but did Cal Spas make that offer when the guy had the issues and was asking for them to take care of his problems or did Cal make the offer only after the YouTube video got out and their offer was really damage control to keep the owner hushed up and get the video removed? I'd put money on knowing the answer to that largely rhetorical question. At that point the owner probably was too pissed to take the hush replacement and I don't blame him. This is the type of thing that has gotten Cal where they are reputation wise. They are very shortsighted on quality/warranty issues and have burned MANY bridges with dealers, spa pros, spa owners, etc..
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you kmow what?..its like you said only time will tell ,so far so good with my experience..i did say ill be the lab rat so if any problems arise i will 100% post them..
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3 months no problems what so ever...again in this price range i ..(me and only my opinion!) would reccomend this tub!
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3 months no problems what so ever...again in this price range i ..(me and only my opinion!) would reccomend this tub!
You know 3 months means nothing on this site....come back after 15 years and tell us how it is working ;D
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^^^lol!
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I will be amazed if we are still here yapping around here in 15 years.. A 3000 dollar spa will be 9,000 a 12,000 dollar spa will be God knows what. And who knows what phones will be like. :o
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3 months no problems what so ever...again in this price range i ..(me and only my opinion!) would reccomend this tub!
You know 3 months means nothing on this site....come back after 15 years and tell us how it is working ;D
Your right. pretty meaningless. 2-3 or 4 years then we have something.
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jim...the printing press still has plenty of ink!
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4 mos...still an excellent choice for the price range..IMO!
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Very cool. I wonder if they will still be selling them in 4 years? They change brands so much who knows? For that kind of money you can upgrade if the brand disappears. Have you metered it yet? Your down south right?
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im in ny,havent really noticed any real spike in my electric bill,i do have a ridiculously high bill to begin with..(lipa) longisland pays the most in the country plus my central ac and pool,its one small pump so i dont expect any huge surprise come the winter,,but ill let ya know
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im in ny,havent really noticed any real spike in my electric bill,i do have a ridiculously high bill to begin with..(lipa) longisland pays the most in the country plus my central ac and pool,its one small pump so i dont expect any huge surprise come the winter,,but ill let ya know
It's not the pump, it's the heater that uses the majority of the electricity.
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Yea I realized that after I wrote that..not sure how good or bad insulation is ..but I'm sure ill find out in the winter