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dkersten:
I enjoy shooting. I am up here in Montana, and sometimes it is hard to find a spot at the public ranges.
I own a beretta 92fs 9mm, and just bought a beretta Px4 Storm .40. I am very happy with the px4, and after about 300 rounds so far I can group 14 rounds in about 15 inches from 60 feet with it.
I have an SKS for plinking rifle.. super cheap ammo and not a bad rifle.. I dont hunt, so I have not bothered to buy any rifles bigger than that..
The friend that I shoot most often with ran out of room in his 36" wide safe about a year ago. He and his father have been buying guns from around 1900, and have quite a collection going.. about 40 various rifles. My favorites would have to be the Garand first, then probably the 4570 shilo sharps.. AR15 is fun but a bitch to clean, so we dont shoot it often, plus the spring makes it sound like a toy when it shoots.. He has a hundred year old craig that he took down to Texas to go boar hunting with his father, and he was the only one in the group to get a boar.. open sights at about 80 yards..
I used to keep my 92fs at his house in his safe since I have kids at home and no safe yet, but a few months ago I went shooting and brought it home, figuring it was safe to store at home since I didnt have a single round of 9mm anywhere in the house. One night about 2 months ago my 13 year old son came down to our room at 2 am and said that someone just climbed in his window and was in the house. I jumped out of bed and grabbed my gun, thinking that working the slide would be a good deterrent to anyone upstairs. As I went upstairs, I saw shadows moving on the wall coming from the hallway. When I got to the top of the stairs, I realized that if the intruder was drugged up, an empty gun wouldnt help much. I ended up finding the intruder passed out in the spare room, half hiding under the bed. The next day I bought a small electronic keypad safe and I keep that 92fs with a full clip of hollow points and the new px4 storm in it. Next time, I wont have to wonder if I should throw the gun or use it as a club..
Up here in Montana, almost everyone I am friends with has at least one gun, and most have multiple.. I worked with a couple guys at one time that not only had more than 50 guns each, but stockpiled ammo and alcohol as well. (alcohol would be like money if the sh*t hit the fan, and whatever you couldnt trade with alcohol, you could get with the guns). I dont quite see things the same way these fellas do, but, this is Montana, and some people think that way around here. The last gun I shot of theirs was the barret .50cal. Fun to shoot but it feels like you get punched in the nose every time you shoot.. from the concussion.. doesnt kick much either..
Dave
Brewman:
Glad to hear that you and your family came thru this ok. As you found out, about the only thing an empty gun is good for is a club or paperweight.
Sounds like you found a good way to keep those guns secure yet handy in for self defense. Hopefully, it never happens again, but if it does, you'll be in a better position to defend your family and home.
badval:
Ok, these are some of my favorites in group shots.
First pic top to bottom:
AR-15 (5.56mm) 20" A2 w/ "postban" compensator & bayo lug neutered
AR-15 (5.56mm) 16" M4 w/ Aimpoint Comp M2
Beretta CX4 Storm (9mm)
Second pic top to bottom & left to right:
Sig P229 (.40S&W)
Sig P229 (.357SIG)
HK USP40 (.40S&W)
Beretta 92FS (9mm)
Bersa Thunder 380 (.380ACP)
Walther P22 (.22LR)
Kimber Compact Stainless II (.45ACP)
I keep most everything loaded when stored. The really old guns, .22's, & other "plinkers" like the CX4 stay unloaded because I'd never grab those for things that go bump in the night. Otherwise, they stay hot - I simply have no use for an unloaded firearm. They stay locked up except what I'm carrying that day & what stays in the nightstand.
We don't allow children into the house other than our own & he knows what his boundaries are. I take him shooting often & he has his own Chipmunk .22 rifle. There's no curiosity about guns with him & he has great respect for them. Since guns aren't those "mysterious secrets that stay locked away", he doesn't want to go mess with them to see what the big deal is all about. We've taken all the mystery & secrecy away from day one while teaching him safe handling & respect, so I don't worry much about leaving a holstered hot weapon in the nightstand drawer. He's almost 8 so is never at home alone. Once he gets older & starts staying home alone sometimes, I'll use trigger or cable locks on everything.
Dkersten - glad your situation worked out safely. Thank you for sharing what you learned from that experience.
cedris:
Wow, badval
OK, don't take this post to be a judgement on anything you're doing. You know you own situation and are responsible for yourself and family. But as a shooting coach and firearms instructor, I need everyone who reads this topic to understand how we teach firearm safety.
The National Rifle Association, the Civilian Marksmanship Program and USA Shooting (Olympic Team) have very specific rules for how firearms should be handled and stored. They are all similar and can be condensed into three main rules:
1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Every firearm instructor and coach I know follows these rules as if someone's life depends on them--it does!
Personal defense is slightly different in that you need to keep a firearm hot to be useful, but we teach it should always be under your direct control or maintained in a way that prohibits access by unauthorized people.
Again, I mean no offense, but I want to make sure the "official" position get's told.
Respectfully,
Chris
drewstar:
Cedris,
What does the NRA say about keeping a fire arm for personal protection? Or do they deal only with sporting situations?
/suporter of the NRA.
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