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Bullfrog SWCG Conversion
swilly1000:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on December 07, 2019, 10:12:33 am ---
--- Quote from: bacontrees on December 06, 2019, 03:21:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on December 06, 2019, 08:23:19 am ---Dichlor and bleach.
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Not helpful, thanks.
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Just trying to make it simple and easy for you, tubs are supposed to be simple and easy. Over complicating things never helps.
Using the dichlor and bleach sanitation method is the easiest out there. Your never soaking in chlorine (unlike a salt tub)
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That's funny. OP is over complicating the whole thing. Just reread the first post. I lost interest before I was halfway through it. And then disses your simple and effective solution. Nice try bacon lol
BullFrogSpasMN:
--- Quote from: bacontrees on December 06, 2019, 07:25:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Hottubguy on December 06, 2019, 06:04:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: bacontrees on December 06, 2019, 03:23:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: bud16415 on December 06, 2019, 09:41:54 am ---To me part of the beauty of a non-inline independent chlorine gen unit like the saltron-mini or others that you just toss in and out of the tub is you can soak the anode in vinegar once a month over night and have a virtually new unit.
I have long planned on buying one and have a friend that has been using one for about 10 years replacing the anode only once. The problem I have is as mentioned above the dichlor / bleach method is so simple I never get around to buying one. I have for the last couple years been adding the same salt as if I had a unit just for the salt feel.
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Appreciate the input. I grabbed a big bag of pool salt the other day, and I'm thinking of adding ~500PPM just for the feel even though I probably won't have the SWCG for a while.
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Don't us swimming pool salt. It's not refined enough for hot tub use. Does your tub have a circ pump on it?
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What do you recommend instead? FYI this is what I have ("recommended by manufacturers of salt water chlorinators", "Over 99% salt purity levels.", "Naturally free of additives."): https://www.diamondcrystalsalt.com/product/pool-salt
I do have a circ pump, but it's not made to be 24/7 (1/12HP, 35GPM), and it only runs during filter cycles (alongside extremely high output ozone) as stated in OP. I haven't gone in with my multimeter yet to see if I can find/rewire to a constant 240VAC source, but I may very well go that route. Still, I'm unsure if running a ~.75A pump all day every day is a wise decision energy-wise. The manufacturer and most dealers recommend against it.
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That pool salt will work fine with a SWCG, don't buy those 'brand name' containers from the manufacturers, it's a rip-off, salt is salt as long as it's over 99% purity
Hottubguy:
--- Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on December 07, 2019, 01:45:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: bacontrees on December 06, 2019, 07:25:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Hottubguy on December 06, 2019, 06:04:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: bacontrees on December 06, 2019, 03:23:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: bud16415 on December 06, 2019, 09:41:54 am ---To me part of the beauty of a non-inline independent chlorine gen unit like the saltron-mini or others that you just toss in and out of the tub is you can soak the anode in vinegar once a month over night and have a virtually new unit.
I have long planned on buying one and have a friend that has been using one for about 10 years replacing the anode only once. The problem I have is as mentioned above the dichlor / bleach method is so simple I never get around to buying one. I have for the last couple years been adding the same salt as if I had a unit just for the salt feel.
--- End quote ---
Appreciate the input. I grabbed a big bag of pool salt the other day, and I'm thinking of adding ~500PPM just for the feel even though I probably won't have the SWCG for a while.
--- End quote ---
Don't us swimming pool salt. It's not refined enough for hot tub use. Does your tub have a circ pump on it?
--- End quote ---
What do you recommend instead? FYI this is what I have ("recommended by manufacturers of salt water chlorinators", "Over 99% salt purity levels.", "Naturally free of additives."): https://www.diamondcrystalsalt.com/product/pool-salt
I do have a circ pump, but it's not made to be 24/7 (1/12HP, 35GPM), and it only runs during filter cycles (alongside extremely high output ozone) as stated in OP. I haven't gone in with my multimeter yet to see if I can find/rewire to a constant 240VAC source, but I may very well go that route. Still, I'm unsure if running a ~.75A pump all day every day is a wise decision energy-wise. The manufacturer and most dealers recommend against it.
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That pool salt will work fine with a SWCG, don't buy those 'brand name' containers from the manufacturers, it's a rip-off, salt is salt as long as it's over 99% purity
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Do you work with pools at all? Big difference in purity from stuff made for hot tubs to stuff like aqua salt (that also claims 99% purity). Most pool salt on East Coast comes from the same mine in West Virginia. The way it's processed is different. The Diamond Crystal stuff he is talking about I believe coming from Cargill which should be better. I don't have any experience using it. Looks like Walmart carries it up here. If the bag feels clumpy I wouldn't use it
ratchett:
Wish I knew where I could sell a few pallets of high grade table-salt, mined in Italy. This salt was intended to be sold under the McCormick brand of table salt, unfortunately the "supersacks" were damaged (bags ripped I think during unloading from the truck).
So now my Dad has thousands of pounds of table-grade salt which cannot be sold as "Food-grade" because the bags are "contaminated". But it's the purest salt you can buy from Italy.
Maybe I should contact some pool salt brands in the country, I'm sure someone would be interested in half a dozen supersacks of salt at discounted prices!
bacontrees:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on December 07, 2019, 10:12:33 am ---
--- Quote from: bacontrees on December 06, 2019, 03:21:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on December 06, 2019, 08:23:19 am ---Dichlor and bleach.
--- End quote ---
Not helpful, thanks.
--- End quote ---
Just trying to make it simple and easy for you, tubs are supposed to be simple and easy. Over complicating things never helps.
Using the dichlor and bleach sanitation method is the easiest out there. Your never soaking in chlorine (unlike a salt tub)
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I am currently using this method, and while it is absolutely effective, it's not going to be more "simple and easy" than a system where I rarely have to do a damn thing. Yes, I'm spending a lot of time/effort planning right now, but that's just because I'm a perfectionist.
Plenty of folks have purchased and tossed in an inexpensive Saltron Mini and couldn't be happier. 15-minute install time. At $230 that's the equivalent of 62 bottles of HDX 8.25 bleach. Add $8 for a 40lb bag of salt that will last years, and the SWCG will pay for itself over time. I'm not sure how long the Saltron cell lasts, but the Chlor-o-matic cell is rated for 7k-10k hours, which is more than enough time to pay for itself several times over, all while reducing the time I spend monitoring my tub's chemistry.
As for "never soaking in chlorine" I prefer to be soaking in a very small amount (.5-1ppm). Hell, my drinking water just tested at 2ppm, and the EPA allows up to 4. The Frog @ease system seems to be the best thing out there, maintaining a constant .5-1ppm chlorine, but it's $250/year in cartridges, and I'm not a big fan of disposables. The SmarterSpa should allow me to accomplish nearly the same thing for much less.
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