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Seeking to go completely "Green", answers from other green people appreciated
Lilytoes:
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--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 01:54:11 pm ---How about PH adjustment when dealing with Food grade Peroxide? Thank you for replying... Any natural ways?
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Soda ash (borax) brings it up and lemon juice brings it down.
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Thank you, but has anyone tried that in conjunction with food grade H202? Do you know people who use this system?
BullFrogSpasMN:
--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 05:20:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on October 24, 2019, 02:46:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 01:54:11 pm ---How about PH adjustment when dealing with Food grade Peroxide? Thank you for replying... Any natural ways?
--- End quote ---
Soda ash (borax) brings it up and lemon juice brings it down.
--- End quote ---
Thank you, but has anyone tried that in conjunction with food grade H202? Do you know people who use this system?
--- End quote ---
using hydrogen peroxide is nothing new to the spa industry, it's been around quite some time as an alternative to chlorine/bromine so your 'traditional' ph adjusters (Sodium Bicarbonate aka Baking Soda) will increase ph/Alkalinity and Sodium Bisulfate aka dry acid will lower ph/Alkalinity. Calcium Hardness can be increased with liquid calcium but only lowered by using a softer water source to fill the spa...Good Luck!
Lilytoes:
--- Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on October 24, 2019, 06:16:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 05:20:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on October 24, 2019, 02:46:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 01:54:11 pm ---How about PH adjustment when dealing with Food grade Peroxide? Thank you for replying... Any natural ways?
--- End quote ---
Soda ash (borax) brings it up and lemon juice brings it down.
--- End quote ---
Thank you, but has anyone tried that in conjunction with food grade H202? Do you know people who use this system?
--- End quote ---
using hydrogen peroxide is nothing new to the spa industry, it's been around quite some time as an alternative to chlorine/bromine so your 'traditional' ph adjusters (Sodium Bicarbonate aka Baking Soda) will increase ph/Alkalinity and Sodium Bisulfate aka dry acid will lower ph/Alkalinity. Calcium Hardness can be increased with liquid calcium but only lowered by using a softer water source to fill the spa...Good Luck!
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Thanks! I think I am getting the gist of it. I had an issue of having too high of a PH (8.something), and too low of TA (well below 80ppm). I went ahead and tried to decrease the PH with Apple cider vinegar (you don't need very much, 1/2 cup did it for me, and there was no vinegar smell at all). Then I used only 2 tablespoons of Baking Soda. Both came to the middle with the TA raising to around 100ppm and the PH decreasing to a normal 7.8-ish. Even if we have to adjust this every 2-3 days or so (we'll see how it goes), I still find that very cost effective to a harsh chemical system. I am stoked! :) ;D
BullFrogSpasMN:
--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 07:57:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on October 24, 2019, 06:16:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 05:20:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on October 24, 2019, 02:46:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lilytoes on October 24, 2019, 01:54:11 pm ---How about PH adjustment when dealing with Food grade Peroxide? Thank you for replying... Any natural ways?
--- End quote ---
Soda ash (borax) brings it up and lemon juice brings it down.
--- End quote ---
Thank you, but has anyone tried that in conjunction with food grade H202? Do you know people who use this system?
--- End quote ---
using hydrogen peroxide is nothing new to the spa industry, it's been around quite some time as an alternative to chlorine/bromine so your 'traditional' ph adjusters (Sodium Bicarbonate aka Baking Soda) will increase ph/Alkalinity and Sodium Bisulfate aka dry acid will lower ph/Alkalinity. Calcium Hardness can be increased with liquid calcium but only lowered by using a softer water source to fill the spa...Good Luck!
--- End quote ---
Thanks! I think I am getting the gist of it. I had an issue of having too high of a PH (8.something), and too low of TA (well below 80ppm). I went ahead and tried to decrease the PH with Apple cider vinegar (you don't need very much, 1/2 cup did it for me, and there was no vinegar smell at all). Then I used only 2 tablespoons of Baking Soda. Both came to the middle with the TA raising to around 100ppm and the PH decreasing to a normal 7.8-ish. Even if we have to adjust this every 2-3 days or so (we'll see how it goes), I still find that very cost effective to a harsh chemical system. I am stoked! :) ;D
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Just keep in mind Alkalinity and pH buffer off of each other so your goal is to 'mess around with' <----very scientific term...your Alkalinity until your pH stabilizes so you don't have to adjust it every few days, some people need to run their Alkalinity around 40-50ppm to 'lock' their pH level in where some it may be 80-120 ppm, every water source is a little different of course. Just keep some baking soda and acid (vinegar, sodium bisulfate from a pool/spa dealer, etc) on hand along with your weekly dose of hydrogen peroxide and you should be fine!
Tman122:
--- Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on October 24, 2019, 08:19:02 pm ---Just keep in mind Alkalinity and pH buffer off of each other so your goal is to 'mess around with' <----very scientific term...your Alkalinity until your pH stabilizes so you don't have to adjust it every few days, some people need to run their Alkalinity around 40-50ppm to 'lock' their pH level in where some it may be 80-120 ppm, every water source is a little different of course. Just keep some baking soda and acid (vinegar, sodium bisulfate from a pool/spa dealer, etc) on hand along with your weekly dose of hydrogen peroxide and you should be fine!
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"messing around with"= extensive field research
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