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Bullfrog A7 Vs Hot Spring Vanguard
cchaynes:
--- Quote from: castletonia on July 22, 2019, 07:53:10 pm ---That price is pretty fair on the Vanguard with Salt. The Bullfrog price seems low but I could be wrong. When considering the price, keep in mind the options can swing the price a lot. With Hot Spring, Freshwater Salt is $399, the GFCI sub-panel is $399 and depending on which lift and steps, that could be another $500-$800. Same can be said with Bullfrog (which lift and step)?
Again, I will not tell you what to do. I would wet test and see which you like better. The $2500 is irrelevant unless the hot tub works for you. Also research each dealer as they are the ones supporting you after the sale.
While I haven't been on Consumer Reports, that statement is surprising to me. In my area there has been Hot Spring representation for 35+ years. The company I work for has been with Hot Spring for the last 2.5 years and Caldera 5 years. I order all parts and process all warranty claims. The amount of jet pumps I have ordered is in the single digits and heaters are similar. These numbers are for what we have sold and all other operational Hot Springs in our territory.
I think anyone in this industry would agree that all hot tubs will break if you own it long enough and that no company makes an indestructible product. That being said, I'll take my chances with Hot Spring/Caldera any day because I know the manufacturer is going to support me as a dealer and that means my customer will be taken care of. Having been in the industry 18+ years and having dealt with many manufacturers, I have never had this amount of confidence from anyone else. There are a few Bullfrog guys here that can speak about them as a company so I won't because I have no direct experience.
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Thanks
Does the lineup even have an MSRP? I don't like how murky the pricing is in the industry.
here is a link to the reviews I mentioned. In fairness its like mostly pissed off people but lots of early breakdowns referenced.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/hot-spring-spas.html
Hottubguy:
--- Quote from: cchaynes on July 22, 2019, 07:58:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: castletonia on July 22, 2019, 07:53:10 pm ---That price is pretty fair on the Vanguard with Salt. The Bullfrog price seems low but I could be wrong. When considering the price, keep in mind the options can swing the price a lot. With Hot Spring, Freshwater Salt is $399, the GFCI sub-panel is $399 and depending on which lift and steps, that could be another $500-$800. Same can be said with Bullfrog (which lift and step)?
Again, I will not tell you what to do. I would wet test and see which you like better. The $2500 is irrelevant unless the hot tub works for you. Also research each dealer as they are the ones supporting you after the sale.
While I haven't been on Consumer Reports, that statement is surprising to me. In my area there has been Hot Spring representation for 35+ years. The company I work for has been with Hot Spring for the last 2.5 years and Caldera 5 years. I order all parts and process all warranty claims. The amount of jet pumps I have ordered is in the single digits and heaters are similar. These numbers are for what we have sold and all other operational Hot Springs in our territory.
I think anyone in this industry would agree that all hot tubs will break if you own it long enough and that no company makes an indestructible product. That being said, I'll take my chances with Hot Spring/Caldera any day because I know the manufacturer is going to support me as a dealer and that means my customer will be taken care of. Having been in the industry 18+ years and having dealt with many manufacturers, I have never had this amount of confidence from anyone else. There are a few Bullfrog guys here that can speak about them as a company so I won't because I have no direct experience.
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Thanks
Does the lineup even have an MSRP? I don't like how murky the pricing is in the industry.
here is a link to the reviews I mentioned. In fairness its like mostly pissed off people but lots of early breakdowns referenced.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/hot-spring-spas.html
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Couple points here. Consumer affairs is a pay to play review site. You will notice a few brands with hundreds of reviews and the rest have under a 100. I just looked and think I saw 67 reviews. I didn’t read them but I’m guessing they aren’t all bad. Even if they are Hot Springs makes like 20,000 or so Tubs a year. In my mind that’s a pretty good ratio of complaints to number of tubs sold
Jacuzzi Jim:
Both are nice, so you can't go wrong. Have you wet tested yet? If not, it could make a difference in your decision. The price on the Bullfrog is low, were at 13,500 with the options quoted. Don't buy into the salt vs ozone crap. Ozone has been around a really long time. And when used right with a mineral cartridge and a product like replenish, it's hard to beat. I honestly thing there are more cons then pro's to salt systems, but it's you money and pcs of mind.
Wet test and then decide, comfort is key, the rest is politics..
Qrose:
I have had my Aria for almost a month now. The Aria is the same size as the Vanguard. In my opinion it is a step above the Bullfrog. The quality of the tub is outstanding. I’ve had ozone and now have salt. I would never go back. The salt is amazing. If you don’t have sensitive skin it might not be an issue but I do and I can’t speak highly enough about it.
cchaynes:
Thanks everyone!
We have also received a better quote on the Vanguard of 12,400 all in.
One quick question, is the sub-panel for the hotspring proprietary? Is that why they include it?
Cheers
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