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Holgmi585281:
--- Quote from: The Wizard of Spas on June 28, 2019, 01:24:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Holgmi585281 on June 28, 2019, 11:22:47 am ---[The tub is sat on an elevated wooden decking not surrounded by an enclosure. It's open to the elements as you will see the picture I posted in show us your hot tub.
It's got a standard 5inch to 3 inch tapered cover for insulation.
Inside the cabinet I'll say partial foam as the whole tub isn't filled, most of it is and it's got a thermal wrap around that too.
I didn't look into the technical amperage of the motors so I'll pass on that.. Its got a 24hr circ pump and two further pumps. 54 jets.
We use it every evening pretty much unless it's raining heavily. Approx 2 hours at a time with the odd cigarette break in between.
Our Kwh cost in the UK is £0.13 pence per Kwh Inc tax and then a daily standing charge of £0.22 pence Inc tax. On the 8th July the first full month bill is due so I will update actual month cost. My estimate so far is that it will be around £50 give or take a few pounds but that was for the initial heat up from cold too. Seems to be very efficient to me with the research I found here in the UK.
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Thanks for the follow-up. This will help others understand what to look for beyond the usual numbers to really get a feel for what to expect. Furthermore, it hopefully will illuminate others as to what to ask when discussing efficiency, which I cannot stress enough, has so many variables involved that you really need to do your homework, read the fine print, and become educated. Hopefully this helps keep the focus on the topic at hand.
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Ah the tub is also sat on 4 x 6ft x 4ft 17mm heavy duty rubber mats like you find in horse stables. Primarily that was to offset any vibration that may occur. It doesnt resonate at all though so i have no complaints .Im very happy
Sam:
--- Quote from: swilly1000 on June 28, 2019, 12:43:33 pm ---
Both of these analyses completely contradict the baseless claims made that Master has crappy insulation and is a power hungry inefficient tub. And what does Holgmi585281 get back for the effort he expended in his factual analysis? That he is a fake! Absolutely ridiculous. Those baseless claims and the dismissive rejection of his work are mostly certainly INVENTING BADNESS!!!!!
FYI my other favorite is that Master Spas are really noisy. What a joke.
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Edited - decided not to engage in argument
Holgmi585281:
--- Quote from: Sam on June 28, 2019, 02:23:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: swilly1000 on June 28, 2019, 12:43:33 pm ---
Both of these analyses completely contradict the baseless claims made that Master has crappy insulation and is a power hungry inefficient tub. And what does Holgmi585281 get back for the effort he expended in his factual analysis? That he is a fake! Absolutely ridiculous. Those baseless claims and the dismissive rejection of his work are mostly certainly INVENTING BADNESS!!!!!
FYI my other favorite is that Master Spas are really noisy. What a joke.
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Except that he already said it's not fully filled with foam and all of the top brands generally listed on here are indeed fully foamed without the gaps that he is seeing. If he put fully foamed spa like a hot spring or Artesian in place of that master spa I guarantee it would use less energy. And no disrespect but you and he have significantly less experience and data to compare it to other brands so while the spa may be good for you, what exactly are you comparing it to?
I've been in the industry over 20 years. I've sold master spas. I've been in master spas. I've got the same experience with another 8 or 9 other brands. I rate most of them above master spas. Their cabinets are crap and they are louder than other spas. I've seen it first hand. Their ecopur filtration system is worthless.
So here we have:
less insulation
cheaper flimsy cabinets
louder
worthless filtration system
shady business practices
And while their top models have powerful jets, they are just off the shelf CMP jets. Other companies jets are designed to work within and for their systems and offer a better feel in many cases.
So as stated many times over. Master makes a perfectly fine spa, but there others that are better in a lot of categories. Others that do business the right way. I'm glad you enjoy your spa but but you quite simply do not have the exposure to other products and companies to make a comparison.
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Sam i am here you know, does it make it less real to you if you ignore my presence lol. You need to get a grip and find a career that you enjoy. This career choice has made you very bitter .
In my career there are many differences in how things are done. What we do not do is ever slag off the competition. It makes one look unprofessional.
Just listening and reading of the hate im surprised anyone would buy a hot tub of you . I certainly wouldnt..
If i had said it was fully foamed you would have hit me with aaaah the pipes are all covered so any problems it would cost a fortune to repair lol. There is absolutely nothing flimsy about the panels, its definitely not loud and the filtration keeps my water sparkling and clean. Maybe you moved jobs because there was more money in repairing the other spas.
Where are the Master Spa repair help questions on this ancient forum eh .
Spatech_tuo:
--- Quote from: swilly1000 on June 28, 2019, 12:43:33 pm ---As you say, we are all entitled to our opinions. I'm not discounting your opinion.
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Previous post by you: "I love how people invent badness about the build quality. "
and
"I'm rebutting incorrect and baseless claims with facts." Your experience is just that, yours. Just because you may not have experienced certain circumstances in your 1 spa does not mean they don't exist in a few/some/many others.
Speak for yourself and allow others have have their own opinions and experiences.
Sam:
--- Quote from: Holgmi585281 on June 28, 2019, 02:37:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sam on June 28, 2019, 02:23:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: swilly1000 on June 28, 2019, 12:43:33 pm ---
Both of these analyses completely contradict the baseless claims made that Master has crappy insulation and is a power hungry inefficient tub. And what does Holgmi585281 get back for the effort he expended in his factual analysis? That he is a fake! Absolutely ridiculous. Those baseless claims and the dismissive rejection of his work are mostly certainly INVENTING BADNESS!!!!!
FYI my other favorite is that Master Spas are really noisy. What a joke.
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Except that he already said it's not fully filled with foam and all of the top brands generally listed on here are indeed fully foamed without the gaps that he is seeing. If he put fully foamed spa like a hot spring or Artesian in place of that master spa I guarantee it would use less energy. And no disrespect but you and he have significantly less experience and data to compare it to other brands so while the spa may be good for you, what exactly are you comparing it to?
I've been in the industry over 20 years. I've sold master spas. I've been in master spas. I've got the same experience with another 8 or 9 other brands. I rate most of them above master spas. Their cabinets are crap and they are louder than other spas. I've seen it first hand. Their ecopur filtration system is worthless.
So here we have:
less insulation
cheaper flimsy cabinets
louder
worthless filtration system
shady business practices
And while their top models have powerful jets, they are just off the shelf CMP jets. Other companies jets are designed to work within and for their systems and offer a better feel in many cases.
So as stated many times over. Master makes a perfectly fine spa, but there others that are better in a lot of categories. Others that do business the right way. I'm glad you enjoy your spa but but you quite simply do not have the exposure to other products and companies to make a comparison.
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Sam i am here you know, does it make it less real to you if you ignore my presence lol. You need to get a grip and find a career that you enjoy. This career choice has made you very bitter .
In my career there are many differences in how things are done. What we do not do is ever slag off the competition. It makes one look unprofessional.
Just listening and reading of the hate im surprised anyone would buy a hot tub of you . I certainly wouldnt..
If i had said it was fully foamed you would have hit me with aaaah the pipes are all covered so any problems it would cost a fortune to repair lol. There is absolutely nothing flimsy about the panels, its definitely not loud and the filtration keeps my water sparkling and clean. Maybe you moved jobs because there was more money in repairing the other spas.
Where are the Master Spa repair help questions on this ancient forum eh .
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Not bitter at all and love my job. My post history is pretty positive and I speak highly of any brand that I think highly of. I consistently speak well of brands that I don't sell. I provide my opinions that were formed by significant experience in the subject matter being discussed. If Cal Spa and Master Spa come up, that opinion is negative. If my experience with them were better, I would speak of them as I do Marquis, Hot Spring, Bullfrog, Dimension One, Artesian. My experience tells me those brands are good, energy efficient, reliable, provide excellent customer service and do business fairly and honestly.
Someone mentioned above that they improved the cabinet recently. Great! That's a step in the right direction. I'm not sure why you and swilly are taking it personally that most of the experienced professionals here think master spa is a middle of the pack manufacturer. I'm glad you are happy. I'm sure that there are happy Fiat car owners too. Doesn't change my opinion that they aren't very good. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or condescending. I'm just providing an honest, informed opinion. I'm sorry that this offends you and swilly. It isn't meant to. You are free to disregard my opinion. This is a discussion board. A place for people to discuss a specific topic and share their opinions. I've done so with mine and my post history speaks for itself.
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