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Spatech_tuo:
--- Quote from: swilly1000 on June 28, 2019, 11:41:15 am ---Master is a better product than most, so I'm going with the better product without regard to tent sales and what not.
I bought mine at a reputable big dealer so none of the "sales practices" is relevant to me.
I love how people invent badness about the build quality. They are reaching to tarnish the name because they are po'ed about sales practices. This very thread should (but won't) address concerns about insulation/running costs. By the way, my favorite invention is the "flimsy" cabinets hahaha, keep reaching around, it's funny.
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1) Your opinion that Master is "a better product than most" is your opinion and while its a sample of 1, you're obviously entitled to it.
2) Others aren't "inventing" badness, they are giving their opinion which they are also entitled to.
You can't stand up for your opinion while discounting everyone else's.
swilly1000:
I'm saying that it is better than most and you and many others are saying that it's not. Those declarations are being made, plain and simple. As you say, we are all entitled to our opinions. I'm not discounting your opinion.
I'm rebutting incorrect and baseless claims with facts. Holgmi585281 already provided a rigorous calculation of hydro use, which speaks to insulation and power efficiency of the tub. His conclusion based on factual observation is that it is not energy inefficient as so many here have claimed. I then did a rough analysis, not so rigorous but passes the smell test, and concluded that it is costing me around $50/mth to run the tub. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Both of these analyses completely contradict the baseless claims made that Master has crappy insulation and is a power hungry inefficient tub. And what does Holgmi585281 get back for the effort he expended in his factual analysis? That he is a fake! Absolutely ridiculous. Those baseless claims and the dismissive rejection of his work are mostly certainly INVENTING BADNESS!!!!!
FYI my other favorite is that Master Spas are really noisy. What a joke.
The Wizard of Spas:
--- Quote from: Holgmi585281 on June 28, 2019, 11:22:47 am ---[The tub is sat on an elevated wooden decking not surrounded by an enclosure. It's open to the elements as you will see the picture I posted in show us your hot tub.
It's got a standard 5inch to 3 inch tapered cover for insulation.
Inside the cabinet I'll say partial foam as the whole tub isn't filled, most of it is and it's got a thermal wrap around that too.
I didn't look into the technical amperage of the motors so I'll pass on that.. Its got a 24hr circ pump and two further pumps. 54 jets.
We use it every evening pretty much unless it's raining heavily. Approx 2 hours at a time with the odd cigarette break in between.
Our Kwh cost in the UK is £0.13 pence per Kwh Inc tax and then a daily standing charge of £0.22 pence Inc tax. On the 8th July the first full month bill is due so I will update actual month cost. My estimate so far is that it will be around £50 give or take a few pounds but that was for the initial heat up from cold too. Seems to be very efficient to me with the research I found here in the UK.
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Thanks for the follow-up. This will help others understand what to look for beyond the usual numbers to really get a feel for what to expect. Furthermore, it hopefully will illuminate others as to what to ask when discussing efficiency, which I cannot stress enough, has so many variables involved that you really need to do your homework, read the fine print, and become educated. Hopefully this helps keep the focus on the topic at hand.
bud16415:
I don’t normally get involved in this nonsense, but will make an exception.
I have a top of the line Caldera tub and I did my own install and to be honest was not overly impressed at what I found inside my 12k tub. I have a strong design background and expected some things of better quality than what I found. I have had one failure in 6 years of operation and it was a 39cent hose clamp that should have been a quality $1.49 clamp. The bottom line is I still love the tub and it is doing what is expected of it. I feel I have a 12k tub that could have been easily an 8k tub with plenty of profit for Watkins the parent company. But these are luxury items and the price is set by what the market will allow. An 8k tub to my way of thinking is likely a 5k tub etc.
I drive a KIA soul and it is a wonderful little car that gets me from point A to B. I’m not comparing it to a Lexus That also takes you from point A to B for a lot more money.
These tubs are what they are and the people selling and servicing them are who they are. I was not really happy when I bought my tub I looked at 2 of 3 companies selling in my area. I was told about good service etc. and I was quite surprised when it was delivered it was the 3rd company that showed up to deliver it. I asked what was going on and they said oh we deliver all their tubs and do all their service. I have built a relationship with the company I didn’t give my business to I the end.
In the end it is buyer beware with all things and if I ever buy another tub I will be a much smarter consumer and I thought I was smart the first time around.
Holgmi585281:
Quite simply its solidly built, feels quality and looks quality too. You can see from the picture in show us your hot tub section of how its situated . The UK is a cool to mild place to live and especially here where i live its breezy most of the time. Probably something to do with the coast and elevation. It performs superbly in my climate so i bet your bottom dollar it performs better in a warmer climate.
Energy hog it certainly is not and my real world data proves it . You are probably best just complaining about the tent sales problems because that is the only thing you could knock Master Spa tubs with. I absolutely love it and have made the right choice . I have never been a sheep and followed the masses and there are definitely as i can see in this thread two sides to every story . Aside from the tent sales which Swilly points out and i have to agree i dont give two hoots about as it doesnt affect me all the other reasons you state Master Spas falls down on are outright lies.
Hopefully some newbies looking for an alternative will read this and buy one also. It is no wonder most newcomers do not stay around long if this is what they are met with.
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