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Running costs
swilly1000:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on June 27, 2019, 07:03:00 am ---....and watching guys like Swilly come and go in a year or so.
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We shall see.
The Wizard of Spas:
--- Quote from: Holgmi585281 on June 25, 2019, 04:05:15 pm ---So you will be pleased to know our Master Spa HL8 here in the Uk has been up and running nearly 3 weeks now. To give some real life running costs i metered the spa daily. We have it set to 39°C constantly or 102°F.
The ambient temperature outside is around 15°C or 59°F daytime nearer 10°C on an evening. We only use it mainly on an evening when its dark as the view is superb and its extra peaceful at that time of night. We use it for around 2hrs every night..
On the odd day we havent used it the spa uses 5to 6 kwh of electricity maintaining 39 degrees . On the days its in use it uses 10 to 12 kwh.
In monetary terms it uses £0.80 per day ticking over maintaining and £1.60 per day in full use. ($1 to $2 ) . The build quality i find to be excellent in every respect. On tickover it is barely noticable its hush quiet. On full its pretty quiet too. The insulated cover works superbly. The temperature barely alters at all covered. Im not sure how that compares to other peoples warmer climates but i am very happy with our choice. We have an excellent well respected dealer which i know is important. Here in the UK we dont hear of any problems with Master Spas like apparently you do in the USA. I have talked personally to many people who have them and they cannot speak highly enough of their ownership experiences. The forums over here are full of complaints of substandard Chinese made spas. We also have lots of online companies just selling cheap spas here (no showrooms). People are so focussed just on cost. You would be pushed to find any bad MasterSpa reviews here and that seems strange. I understand the tent sales problems you experience but in fairness Master Spa does tend to get slated on a regular basis and to a point where it becomes unbelievable. Jetting wise its not as powerful as some out there i know but it certainly has the power to give a fantastic massage. Chemical wise we are using bromine to sanitise. Bromine tablets in the inline filter. The chemical levels have been easy to maintain since the initial fill up where TA and PH were sky high on the first day . We are slightly limited here compared to the USA and Canada on the many manufacturers but we couldnt be happier with our little piece of opulence. Im sure it will give us great service for many years to come judging by the reputation they have here too. Whatever Hot tub you have enjoy. Happy hot tubbing 😁. Mike
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In the hopes of steering the conversation back to the original topic, I'd appreciate more information on your data. Can you provide more context to the readers who may visit this post in the future or may be looking at going with Master Spas, or those that are looking to get general information on the cost to run a hot tub but do not know what real questions to ask to apply to general stats / rates?
-Cover thickness, foam density that you have
-Overall insulation (full or partial, open or closed cell, etc)
-Amperage of your motors
-Base of the tub - Is it a pan? Is there a foam ring between the shell and cabinet?
-Cabinet insulation?
-Usage habits: How long are you using it per session? How many sessions per week?
-Spa location: Is it on a concrete patio? Is it elevated on a deck? Is it covered or in direct sunlight?
-What is the energy cost / hour (or kWh) in your location. This is possibly the most important question.
While numbers are great, context is even better. This is the real stuff that manufacturers do not really note, and to be fair, the sheer volume of variables always begs the question - what context is [monetary rate] being applied to, situation-wise.
To the novice, you can and should ask these questions about any manufacturer if you're looking to get the most complete view of what cost is. I hope this helps those that are interested in really diving into beyond the numbers to understand "why" and "how" data is compiled, and conveyed.
Thanks!
Sam:
Who doesn't love a good master spa thread? ;D
By the way, consumer affairs is b.s. Read the links below to learn more, but basically master hired them to help with their terrible reputation. They deceptively named themselves to capitalize on the reputation of consumer reports which is a legitimate consumer advocate that doesn't take money from companies or extort them to protect their reputation. They imply they are a consumer watchdog but they are not. Consumer affairs is another shady company. Of course master is in business with them.
https://www.truthinadvertising.org/consumer-affairs-com/
https://www.minclaw.com/remove-defamation-consumeraffairs-com/
https://www.hitecpet.com/consumer-affairs-dot-com.html
If I'm given the choice between two companies with similar products, I'm going with the one that does business the right way and that ain't master spas
Holgmi585281:
[The tub is sat on an elevated wooden decking not surrounded by an enclosure. It's open to the elements as you will see the picture I posted in show us your hot tub.
It's got a standard 5inch to 3 inch tapered cover for insulation.
Inside the cabinet I'll say partial foam as the whole tub isn't filled, most of it is and it's got a thermal wrap around that too.
I didn't look into the technical amperage of the motors so I'll pass on that.. Its got a 24hr circ pump and two further pumps. 54 jets.
We use it every evening pretty much unless it's raining heavily. Approx 2 hours at a time with the odd cigarette break in between.
Our Kwh cost in the UK is £0.13 pence per Kwh Inc tax and then a daily standing charge of £0.22 pence Inc tax. On the 8th July the first full month bill is due so I will update actual month cost. My estimate so far is that it will be around £50 give or take a few pounds but that was for the initial heat up from cold too. Seems to be very efficient to me with the research I found here in the UK.
swilly1000:
--- Quote from: Sam on June 27, 2019, 02:01:57 pm ---Who doesn't love a good master spa thread? ;D
By the way, consumer affairs is b.s. Read the links below to learn more, but basically master hired them to help with their terrible reputation. They deceptively named themselves to capitalize on the reputation of consumer reports which is a legitimate consumer advocate that doesn't take money from companies or extort them to protect their reputation. They imply they are a consumer watchdog but they are not. Consumer affairs is another shady company. Of course master is in business with them.
https://www.truthinadvertising.org/consumer-affairs-com/
https://www.minclaw.com/remove-defamation-consumeraffairs-com/
https://www.hitecpet.com/consumer-affairs-dot-com.html
If I'm given the choice between two companies with similar products, I'm going with the one that does business the right way and that ain't master spas
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Yes, a good Master thread is so invigorating :)
I don't think it's any secret that Consumer Affairs is a thinly veiled rip-off of Consumer Reports. Master isn't the only company that may be in business with them and the general shadiness of the entire industry can be brought into the discussion if we are going to continue to tar Master's reputation by tying them to CA.
I agree that "If I'm given the choice between two companies with similar products, I'm going with the one that does business the right way..." but I bet that Master blows away most brands for the jetting performance. It's a well built performance machine. It's way better than a lot of the others, so you're not meeting the "If" part of your condition. Master is a better product than most, so I'm going with the better product without regard to tent sales and what not.
I bought mine at a reputable big dealer so none of the "sales practices" is relevant to me.
I love how people invent badness about the build quality. They are reaching to tarnish the name because they are po'ed about sales practices. This very thread should (but won't) address concerns about insulation/running costs. By the way, my favorite invention is the "flimsy" cabinets hahaha, keep reaching around, it's funny.
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