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Spatech_tuo:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on November 19, 2018, 08:09:50 am ---I wish I had time to type as much as some of you.
In my opinion Master Spas is mediocre at best. Want facts? I've been doing this for over 30 years. That's the only fact you get. I've seen thousands of tubs and a ton of them Master. Take it or leave it, I don't care.
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Well said (I typed even less).
Sam:
Microsilk is not proprietary. It's made by a multi-billion dollar company (jason) and available in multiple hot tub brands. There's another thing that he's gotten wrong. He gets a lot of things wrong. I've read most of his site and watched most of his videos. I don't recall the details of what he got wrong but I remember there were quite a few either misleading statements or out and out b.s. statements.
Also, all of the industry people here regularly speak well of brands they don't represent or work with. Most people here do a great job of admitting bias and trying to keep it out of their statements. Most industry people here also tend to agree on what's good and what isn't, and everything in between. There's a lot of consensus on most topics. That guy is a shill who sounds super knowledgeable if you aren't experienced in the industry. I totally get why people like his site and believe his claims. He's just not nearly as knowledgeable or unbiased as he claims. Simple fact. Don't believe it if you want, but I promise you it's true. I have far more exposure to other brands than this guy. He's been with master most of his career.
I don't mind being a homer for a product you sell. I'd be reluctant to purchase from you if you weren't. I do though have a problem with claiming to be unbiased when clearly the opposite is true. I also have a problem with stating things as fact and with the utmost authority when a lot of it is spin and some of it is total b.s.
swilly1000:
--- Quote from: Sam on November 19, 2018, 12:28:51 pm ---Microsilk is not proprietary. It's made by a multi-billion dollar company (jason) and available in multiple hot tub brands. There's another thing that he's gotten wrong. He gets a lot of things wrong. I've read most of his site and watched most of his videos. I don't recall the details of what he got wrong but I remember there were quite a few either misleading statements or out and out b.s. statements.
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That's not the problem. Even as a newbie, I know what Microsilk is and that Jason owns it. He's been in the industry for decades. It's ludicrous to say that he would get that wrong, notwithstanding what you think about him.
The problem was that it was claimed that he thought Microsilk is an enzyme product, like Spa Marvel, which was not true. He most assuredly knows what Microsilk is, has no confusion about it whatsoever, but he was portrayed as being out of touch on that, which he wasn't. When I brought it to the person's attention that he had it wrong, there was no acknowledgement of the error(!?), only lashing out, and it became a s**t storm.
It's clear that a lot of people here don't like him, think he's a shill, biased, lacks knowledge, even a liar. Have at it on him all you want, I don't care. But when people casually toss around untruths about him, they become exactly what they are accusing him of being!!! Glass houses people.
Hottubguy:
He 100% claimed that. If you look through his threads you will notice he only keeps comments active for 6 months. There is no comments in his buyers guide older then 6 months. I haven’t been on his site in a bit until last night trying to find the thread. I also see he longer like Marquis Spas. I can’t find his video anywhere on his site explaining his reasoning though.
swilly1000:
Today he posted:
"I’m not recommending the marquis anymore I bought one and have to say the quality of build was just not there, it had a leak, a fault and just poor attention to detail and it was a brand now 2018 from the factory! they review is coming out soon."
Five days ago he posted:
"I’m taking these guys off the good guy list, I have a brand new vector 21 here and the build quality was just not great at all, sloppy workmanship, the tub had a leak and 2 faults and the attention to detail was pants…
Ill email you a link but don’t share it it’s not ready for the public yet."
I guess there is a video review coming out.
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