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d00nut:
Just saying... this was posted by Chris Wheatley 19 days ago on his "Buyers Assistance" side... This should immediately discredit everything this guy says. He must be smoking something if he thinks Cal is a better spa than Sundance:
--- Quote ---I would say the Cal spa over Sundance for sure but make sure you order the full foam package if you are in a cold climate, don’t buy the bulls*^#(* about these reflective foils this s&#^$t was pretty much banned in the northern US states in the 80’s and now its the miracle insulator in the totally unregulated hot tub industry…
Also, double check the control and heating system is Balboa, I was at their factory in January and they were using waterways on their entry level stuff and Balboa only on their higher ends…
Sundance was bought by a big equity investment corp that also owns jacuzzi, Hydropool, D1, and endless pool. Typically this kind of organization specializes in the spin, brand awareness, marketing etc and uses lots of proprietary parts and frankly build overpriced mid-grade products with amazingly good packaging 🙂
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Sundance hasn't changed ownership since 2002. They recently bought Hydropool, but never Endless Pool. Endless was bought by Watkins Wellness.
You'll notice that all of his claims are OPINIONS. They are never based off fact. He is really convincing in his videos though. He is absolutely an idiot if he thinks that Cal makes a quality spa and Sundance does not. Yikes
swilly1000:
--- Quote from: Hottubguy on November 17, 2018, 06:14:33 pm ---I’m not going through 4-5 years of posts. Two of my customers have showed me the post in his hot tub buyers guide comment section. Another thing he says is to avoid E-series because of parts lists but endorsed the signature series. Newsflash to him the equipment other then the topside is exactly the same. I could care less that you bought a Master Spa, could careless that you think this guy is a god of hot tubs but all he is a Master Spa saleman who sells hot tubs out of his garage. He is a great marketer for Master Spas that’s for sure.
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You say that he is inaccurate with the facts but when asked to back it up you can't, or won't. It took me less than 10 minutes to find a direct quote contradicting what you say about him. And then what? You get dismissive ("I’m not going through 4-5 years of posts") and continue to trash talk him ("... all he is a Master Spa salesman who sells hot tubs out of his garage").
As a newbie to this industry, I was drawn to his site because he fills a void in the market. That void IMO is a direct result of the shady practices that I mentioned in other posts. People trust him because they feel the rest of the market can't be trusted. And there a lot of people who agree with me on that. Just look at the posts in the buyers assistance page of his site. The page is crammed with people thanking him for what he does. If he is pulling the wool over our eyes, than he has the industry to thank for creating the void that he is filling.
I agree with you that he is a great marketer for Master, but I sure as heck don't think he is the God of hot tubs (show me where I said that lol). As I've said over and over in my short time here, my interest is in really understanding the hate-on for Master, and by extension, HTU. They are detested for reasons that the end user doesn't care about. Nothing I've read has changed my thinking.
I understand that you could care less that I bought a Master. I was under no illusions that he is biased and I did my own research beyond HTU in arriving at my decision. In a perfect world I would have wet-tested every major brand, but I simply didn't have the time to do that, just like you apparently don't have the time to back up your claims about what he says.
What I want most out of my tub is the hydrotherapy benefits. I think I picked a high performance tub that meets my needs. Time will tell.
swilly1000:
One of my big pet peeves is when people in the same industry trash their competitors. Trashing the competition redirects the focus from why someone is good at what they do to why the other guy sucks. It's low class and cheap.
One industry where it's really bad is residential contracting. I had my kitchen gutted and renovated about four years ago and it cost me $65K. I think most people will agree that it's not hard to spend $65K on a kitchen, but so much of the time when I talked to contractors the knee jerk reaction was to tell me how badly I got ripped off. It got to the point where I just stopped telling people about it.
Just sayin.
castletonia:
--- Quote from: swilly1000 on November 17, 2018, 08:22:31 pm ---One of my big pet peeves is when people in the same industry trash their competitors. Trashing the competition redirects the focus from why someone is good at what they do to why the other guy sucks. It's low class and cheap.
One industry where it's really bad is residential contracting. I had my kitchen gutted and renovated about four years ago and it cost me $65K. I think most people will agree that it's not hard to spend $65K on a kitchen, but so much of the time when I talked to contractors the knee jerk reaction was to tell me how badly I got ripped off. It got to the point where I just stopped telling people about it.
Just sayin.
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Respect is earned, not given. In my opinion, Master Spas hasn’t done anything to gain or earn anyone’s respect within the industry.
If you did your research and arrived at the conclusion that a Master Spa was best for your needs, that’s fine and respectable and I really hope you have years of trouble free enjoyment. It just seems to me that you are continually trying to defend your decision, which you don’t have to.
Most everyone here has one objective and only one objective: to help those that need help. We have no direct benefit by providing information and educated opinions.
And for the record, there are worse products (Cal Spas) than a Master Spa and they don’t get near the negativity.
When I am researching products I want to buy, I know to take every opinion with a grain of salt. I value the opinion most by those who own the product and provide valuable feedback. So, go enjoy your hot tub and report back in 6-12 months and let us know about your ownership experience, whether good or bad.
swilly1000:
I'm not trying to defend my decision. I'm trying to understand a dynamic.
Agreed though on the 6-12 month bit.
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