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Tman122:
--- Quote from: Sam on March 23, 2018, 02:21:54 pm ---up to 90% less plumbing than other hot tubs with a similar size and jet count. What's not to get? It's true. There is significantly less plumbing in a 7' bullfrog with 60 jets than aother 7' with 60 jets.
I mean, it makes sense. In most hot tubs every single jet requires a hole in the shell and a plumbing line. In a Bullfrog you only need one hole and one plumbing line per seat, rather than per jet. There is one jetpak that has 42 jets, yet only one plumbing connection. It's a simple and true concept. I won't argue the merits of the design, but it is a plain and simple fact that there will be less plumbing on a bullfrog with x jets than another hot tub with x jets.
Also, lol at arguing with an engineer in the field of fluid dynamics about fluid dynamics.
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And it seems BF is struggling a bit with that one big customer accessible hole in the shell. Those big o-rings seem to struggle.
I think over 30 years of plumbing qualifies me. I have changed many fluid dynamic engineered designs to work in the real world. Installation always trumps design.
Sam:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 24, 2018, 11:19:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sam on March 23, 2018, 02:21:54 pm ---up to 90% less plumbing than other hot tubs with a similar size and jet count. What's not to get? It's true. There is significantly less plumbing in a 7' bullfrog with 60 jets than aother 7' with 60 jets.
I mean, it makes sense. In most hot tubs every single jet requires a hole in the shell and a plumbing line. In a Bullfrog you only need one hole and one plumbing line per seat, rather than per jet. There is one jetpak that has 42 jets, yet only one plumbing connection. It's a simple and true concept. I won't argue the merits of the design, but it is a plain and simple fact that there will be less plumbing on a bullfrog with x jets than another hot tub with x jets.
Also, lol at arguing with an engineer in the field of fluid dynamics about fluid dynamics.
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And it seems BF is struggling a bit with that one big customer accessible hole in the shell. Those big o-rings seem to struggle.
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That's not true at all, at least in my experience and we sell hundreds per year. We rarely have an issue with the o-ring or gasket. And if we do, it's a simple easy fix that doesn't require pulling cabinet panels and digging through foam like most jet gasket's.
The simple fact is, Bullfrog builds a great hot tub that has some cool efficiencies not found in a traditional hot tub. You can pick what jets you want, and what seat you want to put them in. If you change your mind, it takes 10 seconds to switch. There are less holes in the shell and less plumbing than a hot tub with a comparable number of jets. Whether or not you think that has merit is fine, but it is indeed true. When they come out with a new jetpak, you can update your hot tub with it for a nominal fee. If your therapy needs change, you can change the jetting in your spa to meet those needs. The jets also have a great feel and very therapeutic. The oscillator jetpak is my favorite all time jet and I've been doing this for almost a quarter century now. I've worked with most of the big brands out there over the years, or at least had exposure to them.
Your disdain for Bullfrog is so weird to me. They make a great hot tub that is unlike anything else out there. I'm also unbiased enough to recommend other brands because I try really hard to apply my experience objectively, but there is no arguing that Bullfrog are great hot tubs and among the best our industry has to offer.
Tman122:
--- Quote from: Sam on March 25, 2018, 02:36:32 pm ---Your disdain for Bullfrog is so weird to me. They make a great hot tub that is unlike anything else out there. I'm also unbiased enough to recommend other brands because I try really hard to apply my experience objectively, but there is no arguing that Bullfrog are great hot tubs and among the best our industry has to offer.
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It's not a disdain for BF. I'll say it again Sam and I will say it slower so you understand, B F m a k e s a f i n e t u b, nothing special or better than about 10 other brands.
You can puff it up all you want and a ton of people will buy into the BS. But not me and a ton of others who see through the puff.
They don't feel better, they don't have more power, they aren't more efficient, they don't last longer and they don't cost less. They Got Nothing.
Sam:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 25, 2018, 04:20:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: Sam on March 25, 2018, 02:36:32 pm ---Your disdain for Bullfrog is so weird to me. They make a great hot tub that is unlike anything else out there. I'm also unbiased enough to recommend other brands because I try really hard to apply my experience objectively, but there is no arguing that Bullfrog are great hot tubs and among the best our industry has to offer.
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It's not a disdain for BF. I'll say it again Sam and I will say it slower so you understand, B F m a k e s a f i n e t u b, nothing special or better than about 10 other brands.
You can puff it up all you want and a ton of people will buy into the BS. But not me and a ton of others who see through the puff.
They don't feel better, they don't have more power, they aren't more efficient, they don't last longer and they don't cost less. They Got Nothing.
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You are absolutely wrong here.
jtd1216:
I appreciate the spirited debate guys! It has definitely give me some insight to our purchasing process. TMan, I was looking at bullfrog. What other brand in my selection of dealers should I check out in your opinion? I like to keep all my options open.
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