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Any recent opinions on Bullfrog Spas?
Hottubguy:
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--- Quote from: Jacuzzi Jim on March 30, 2016, 12:04:31 am --- The thing with patents is what it is. Nobody that I know of has done a no by-pass filtration system other than HS. No one has done the exterior equipment pac other than Beach Comber. And no one has done the jet pac system other than Bullfrog. Arctic does their insulation system and I don't think anyone has really copied it. Patent or not maybe some just do not want to be labeled a copy cat for a better lack of terms?
I am sure there are other examples, any of you guys that have been in the industry can think of?
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pretty much everything is copycatted at some point...the only things that really aren't seem to be things that would require a complete new mold to be built (ie no-bypass or similar system that requires a very large filter compartment) anything that is a "component" will eventually be copied, ie Remote Controls, Salt Systems, Stereos, WiFi Apps, Jet Designs, etc....Also I rarely even hear the name Artic but isn't their insulation "system" similar to Maax?
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More similar to Clearwater I believe
Tman122:
--- Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on March 30, 2016, 12:42:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: Jacuzzi Jim on March 30, 2016, 12:04:31 am --- The thing with patents is what it is. Nobody that I know of has done a no by-pass filtration system other than HS. No one has done the exterior equipment pac other than Beach Comber. And no one has done the jet pac system other than Bullfrog. Arctic does their insulation system and I don't think anyone has really copied it. Patent or not maybe some just do not want to be labeled a copy cat for a better lack of terms?
I am sure there are other examples, any of you guys that have been in the industry can think of?
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pretty much everything is copycatted at some point...the only things that really aren't seem to be things that would require a complete new mold to be built (ie no-bypass or similar system that requires a very large filter compartment) anything that is a "component" will eventually be copied, ie Remote Controls, Salt Systems, Stereos, WiFi Apps, Jet Designs, etc....Also I rarely even hear the name Artic but isn't their insulation "system" similar to Maax?
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Arctic uses spray foam on the inside of the cabinet walls. Great concept if spray foam on the shell/plumbing scares you. Their claim of heating without a heater is false. Put's your pumps and electronics in a heated and even super heated environment in summer, which effects longevity. So venting is required for cooling and to prevent heat creep. But more important their molds seemed confining to me.
Maxx uses a sloppy rendition. No need for venting because there are gaps and openings everywhere.
Compatico:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 31, 2016, 07:18:57 am ---Arctic uses spray foam on the inside of the cabinet walls.
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The Arctic tub we had used hard foam insulation panels lining the cabinet and base with heat reflective aluminum coating. Several brands do the same thing.
--- Quote ---Their claim of heating without a heater is false. Put's your pumps and electronics in a heated and even super heated environment in summer, which effects longevity. So venting is required for cooling and to prevent heat creep.
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I believe their claim of heating without a heater referred to hot climate areas where the pumps could generate enough heat to help maintain water temp without the heater being used much. The wording is key...they didn't claim you don't need a heater, only that the tub could maintain temp without the heater coming on when the jet pumps were running on a hot day. Obviously in cold climates like winter in the northern States and Canada, this doesn't fly at all. But during the summer at 90'F days I know the heater didn't kick in much.
--- Quote --- But more important their molds seemed confining to me.
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Everyone is different and so are tubs. ;D
And sometimes peoples' experiences affect future buying decisions. This time round it won't be an Arctic tub simply because they don't offer one that suits our needs. Same goes for Hydropool, Beachcomber, and several others we crossed off the list as they didn't offer what we want. Nothing wrong with the tubs, just features/design didn't suit.
Tman122:
--- Quote from: Compatico on April 01, 2016, 12:16:25 am ---I believe their claim of heating without a heater referred to hot climate areas where the pumps could generate enough heat to help maintain water temp without the heater being used much. The wording is key...they didn't claim you don't need a heater, only that the tub could maintain temp without the heater coming on when the jet pumps were running on a hot day. Obviously in cold climates like winter in the northern States and Canada, this doesn't fly at all. But during the summer at 90'F days I know the heater didn't kick in much.
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There was no mention of the 20 hours per day filtering isn't required. If it's cold outside the heater will work just as much during the 20 hours (majority) of non filtration time everyday. To me the sales BS read as if the heater wouldn't be needed because the warmth generated from the jet pump during filtration would be sufficient to heat the water. That's how it was pushed here on this board. I called BS on it.
FL Person:
I have a Bullfrog R6 on order. Should be ready for it in the next few weeks. This will be my first spa. I wet tested and did research. These spas clearly have less plumbing than traditional designs and have fewer hull penetrations. Looking forward to my new spa.
FL Person
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