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Any recent opinions on Bullfrog Spas?
Tman122:
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--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 26, 2016, 07:57:24 am ---Instead of splitting the water flow after the pump and then directing through hoses to the individual jets. Bullfrog splits the water flow behind the jet pacs and sends it to the individual jets. It's plumbing. Plumbing creates water cavitation. Water cavitation makes noise.
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Like I said, your theory seems reasonable... but in actual use, I'm not hearing it. How many Bullfrog Spas have you used?
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1
How many have you tried?
Racenut:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 26, 2016, 10:24:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: Racenut on March 26, 2016, 08:27:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 26, 2016, 07:57:24 am ---Instead of splitting the water flow after the pump and then directing through hoses to the individual jets. Bullfrog splits the water flow behind the jet pacs and sends it to the individual jets. It's plumbing. Plumbing creates water cavitation. Water cavitation makes noise.
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Like I said, your theory seems reasonable... but in actual use, I'm not hearing it. How many Bullfrog Spas have you used?
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1
How many have you tried?
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Was it the new design or the old design? Could you actually hear a discernible noise from the jetpacks?
For me.. 3 different tubs, 1 old design, 2 different new ones, one of which I own. And have never noticed noise like that.
Tman122:
--- Quote from: Racenut on March 26, 2016, 10:40:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 26, 2016, 10:24:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: Racenut on March 26, 2016, 08:27:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tman122 on March 26, 2016, 07:57:24 am ---Instead of splitting the water flow after the pump and then directing through hoses to the individual jets. Bullfrog splits the water flow behind the jet pacs and sends it to the individual jets. It's plumbing. Plumbing creates water cavitation. Water cavitation makes noise.
--- End quote ---
Like I said, your theory seems reasonable... but in actual use, I'm not hearing it. How many Bullfrog Spas have you used?
--- End quote ---
1
How many have you tried?
--- End quote ---
Was it the new design or the old design? Could you actually hear a discernible noise from the jetpacks?
For me.. 3 different tubs, 1 old design, 2 different new ones, one of which I own. And have never noticed noise like that.
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New design, I will hold my opinion on the noise created by moving the manifolds/fluid distribution closer to your ears. Most customers, like you, it may not matter.
This board is for information and not sales. Any company that comes here and throws BS sales rhetoric should get corrected. Bullfrog just happens to be the most recent. Most dealers here are pretty good. Listing the potential positives should also be followed by the potential negatives. People are passionate. Owners and dealers alike.
If you removed the insulation (might not be much to remove) from a 120 jet 4 pump Master Spa and set it side by side with a two pump BF and didn't count the water channels/plumbing inside the BF jet pacs you could potentially come up with 90% less plumbing. But because it has 2 less pumps and a bunch less jets it should have 50% less plumbing. That's deceiving. Flip over a 40 jet Marquis Euphoria and tell me BF has 90% less plumbing. Or do what BF does and just imply what they are showing you is them compared to all other spas. And........maybe 90% less plumbing means moving less water, negatively impacting the hydrotherapy? This can be spun a lot of different ways.
My point is, if stuff like that is going to be throw into the mix lets look at it closely. That's why we are here to help potential buyers. Not sell tubs. Your a BF owner Racenut. I trust your opinion of how YOUR tub works for YOU. But lets get the sales BS out of our advice for our posters.
No need to thank me.
Racenut:
You're really hung up on that 90% thing... I believe the ads claim "UP TO" 90%... which means in the most extreme case. I don't think anyone at Bullfrog has ever claimed that it's 90% less than every tub made. This is marketing 101 stuff that is done by nearly every company in every industry. They put their best foot forward against the worst of their competition. But if that's the drum/dead horse you want to beat, then I guess that's your thing. But the fact is, that the BF design does result in less plumbing than any other design, and especially less plumbing where leaks present a real problem. For a consumer like me, who has spent way too much time digging through foam fixing leaks, this is a big deal to me. It doesn't guarantee no leaks, but it does minimize risk and that's a big plus to me. And for your "maybe it moves less water"... I suppose in a bad design it could restrict flow, but that's not the case here and you know it.
You give lots of good info for users here and I appreciate and respect your input here. As a result, I think your comments tend to hold a bit more weight than most users here. It just seems that you have a bone to pick with Bullfrog and make sure to plant seeds of doubt where ever you can. I know BF isn't going to be everyone's top choice, especially if someone's local BF dealer isn't so great... But it seems you're trying to scare people away from them due to your misinterpretation of a sales brochure. But at the end of the day, I agree with you in that the wet test should be the final measure. I'd just hate to see someone not even give the BF a chance due to something they read on the internet.
I still have some of the Bullfrog Kool-Aid... maybe you should try some with vodka. It's not bad :D
meriflower:
I think the point is there is less holes drilled in the shell on a BF compared to others. Other spas drill the holes in the shell for the various jets vs BF, the jetpak has the holes for the jets and not the shell. So the "plumbing" is in the inside of the spa shell and not the outside. If you want to count what's in the jetpak go ahead. Of course there are still holes drilled in the shell for a BF but it is less than others.
A Marquis Euphoria has 58 jets not 40.
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