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Hottubguy:
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--- Quote from: dporter22 on September 19, 2015, 12:27:55 am ---Yes MarKee, as a matter of fact getting maximum power at every seat actually is a good argument because it's true. It doesn't "appear" that you are getting maximum power, you are getting it. And the jet packs do not restrict the flow as you incorrectly stated.
As I explained, every seat in a BF has maximum flow (or you can adjust each seat as you like individually). You don't have to mess with diverter valves which sacrifice power at some seats just to get full power at only one seat, which you seem to think is an advantage. What about the people sitting in those other seats who also want full power? Too bad for them if they're not in a BF.
That's the beauty of the BF design, every seat can choose exactly the amount of power they want from full to nothing without forcing other seats to have or less.
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So if you turn all but one seat off the flow stays the same in that seat? That's impossible. Bullfrog's have divereters like most other spas they are just in a different spot
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fortunately there isn't 10 of them like some spas and the fail rate is 1000% less than a tradtitional "topside" diverters
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Correct but if it fails don't you have to replace the entire jetpak? I don't believe there is a way to fix them
dporter22:
--- Quote from: Hottubguy on September 19, 2015, 10:41:33 am ---
--- Quote from: dporter22 on September 19, 2015, 12:27:55 am ---Yes MarKee, as a matter of fact getting maximum power at every seat actually is a good argument because it's true. It doesn't "appear" that you are getting maximum power, you are getting it. And the jet packs do not restrict the flow as you incorrectly stated.
As I explained, every seat in a BF has maximum flow (or you can adjust each seat as you like individually). You don't have to mess with diverter valves which sacrifice power at some seats just to get full power at only one seat, which you seem to think is an advantage. What about the people sitting in those other seats who also want full power? Too bad for them if they're not in a BF.
That's the beauty of the BF design, every seat can choose exactly the amount of power they want from full to nothing without forcing other seats to have or less.
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So if you turn all but one seat off the flow stays the same in that seat? That's impossible. Bullfrog's have divereters like most other spas they are just in a different spot
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I didn't discuss turning off all the seats except one; that's an irrelevant point since the whole purpose of a spa is to have all the seats on so people can enjoy them. Of course the flow to one seat would increase if you turned everything else off, but why does that matter? My point was that everyone can enjoy full power at their seat, or less if they want, without sacrificing power at another seat, which no other spa can do they way BF does because they all force you to divert flow from one seat in order to get max flow at another.
I'm not saying that other spas don't have sufficient power, or aren't quality spas, or don't have nice features, or that BF is the only way to go. I'm simply explaining that a nice feature of a BF is that the design allows for individually adjustable power at each seat and that you don't lose a significant amount of power at one seat to get more power at another.
I tested several other brands and every time they would say, "Ok, sit in this seat and I'll adjust the diverter so you can get full power". Then I would say, "Great, now keep me at full power and let my wife feel full power at her seat too". And all the salesman would start making excuses about why they couldn't do that, or I would never really want full power at more than one seat, or just fiddle around with all these diverter settings to get some sort of balance of medium power, etc.
If that works for someone, great. For me the BF system made much more sense.
BullFrogSpasMN:
--- Quote from: Tman122 on September 19, 2015, 11:26:29 am ---I see jet pacs as a gimmick to sell tubs. No one ever buys extra. After a little while they never change them around. Seems to me if your buying a BF you had better wet test because what if it feels lousy, all the jet pacs, no matter where you put them. Or maybe buy all of them. Or just buy what the dealer steers you to. To me it's not technology, it's a gimmick to help sell a tub that's nothing more than, well OK? The pacs and the way they are mounted look clunky to me. There's more surface to clean when you clean your tub. And I cleaned mine a lot.
There's a whole lot of better tubs out there in my opinion. And whoever said 10 years, it better be longer than that. Great tubs last 20 or more.
And I don't care for the HS moto massage either. After 20+ years of ownership of different brands I like a certain feel and neither BF or HS give it to me. I would hope everyone finds there "feel" and are not steered to a brand because of some gimmick.
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Big and Clunky? I'd get a refund from your eye doctor if I was you :-)
Hottubguy:
--- Quote from: dporter22 on September 19, 2015, 12:19:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: Hottubguy on September 19, 2015, 10:41:33 am ---
--- Quote from: dporter22 on September 19, 2015, 12:27:55 am ---Yes MarKee, as a matter of fact getting maximum power at every seat actually is a good argument because it's true. It doesn't "appear" that you are getting maximum power, you are getting it. And the jet packs do not restrict the flow as you incorrectly stated.
As I explained, every seat in a BF has maximum flow (or you can adjust each seat as you like individually). You don't have to mess with diverter valves which sacrifice power at some seats just to get full power at only one seat, which you seem to think is an advantage. What about the people sitting in those other seats who also want full power? Too bad for them if they're not in a BF.
That's the beauty of the BF design, every seat can choose exactly the amount of power they want from full to nothing without forcing other seats to have or less.
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So if you turn all but one seat off the flow stays the same in that seat? That's impossible. Bullfrog's have divereters like most other spas they are just in a different spot
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I didn't discuss turning off all the seats except one; that's an irrelevant point since the whole purpose of a spa is to have all the seats on so people can enjoy them. Of course the flow to one seat would increase if you turned everything else off, but why does that matter? My point was that everyone can enjoy full power at their seat, or less if they want, without sacrificing power at another seat, which no other spa can do they way BF does because they all force you to divert flow from one seat in order to get max flow at another.
I'm not saying that other spas don't have sufficient power, or aren't quality spas, or don't have nice features, or that BF is the only way to go. I'm simply explaining that a nice feature of a BF is that the design allows for individually adjustable power at each seat and that you don't lose a significant amount of power at one seat to get more power at another.
I tested several other brands and every time they would say, "Ok, sit in this seat and I'll adjust the diverter so you can get full power". Then I would say, "Great, now keep me at full power and let my wife feel full power at her seat too". And all the salesman would start making excuses about why they couldn't do that, or I would never really want full power at more than one seat, or just fiddle around with all these diverter settings to get some sort of balance of medium power, etc.
If that works for someone, great. For me the BF system made much more sense.
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Then it's not full power at every seat if you turn divertors and more flow goes to other seats. Glad you are enjoying your Tub. BF absolutely makes a fine product and are a top of the line spa. Hope you have many trouble free years with it
Quickbeam:
Although we don't own a Bullfrog, I actually like some of the things they've done with their spas. I would have looked more closely at them when we were buying if they had a size that suited us. Having said this, I find the argument that you get "full power" at every seat laughable. It's just not possible, unless of course each seat has its' own pump and I don't believe that's the case with Bullfrog.
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