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Dr. Spa™ Ret.:
If, and I say again, IF, either of those two electrical aspects are within 5' of the spa, I would report the inspector to his supervisor.
bimmerdog:
I did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better.
Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be.
I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?
Spatech_tuo:
--- Quote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 am ---I did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better.
Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be.
I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?
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"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about."
"and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"
I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.
Dr. Spa™ Ret.:
--- Quote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 am ---
I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?
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Briefly....
It's all about safety and attempting to reduce risk as much as possible ("reduce", not eliminate. Eliminating risk is impossible, just check out The Darwin Awards). When the codes are written, one of the things taken into consideration is the tenancy of people to do certain things (frequently, dumb things). As far as the 5' rule for the spa (and there's been a lot of talk over the years of increasing this to 8'), one of the big concerns is to prevent someone that's sitting in the spa from reaching out and plugging something into the outlet....with dripping wet hands. 5' is also to far to set the boom box on the side of the spa while it's plugged in....yet close enough that's it's unlikely you'll go to the trouble of setting in on the side of the spa with an extension cord.
In regards to the kitchen... You WILL put a toaster, coffee maker, toaster oven, bread maker, blender and whatever else on the counter. It would be MUCH less safe if you started running extension cords to do this (extension cords, while a convenience, are actually rather unsafe to use on a permanent basis). Additionally, many fires get started when someone puts one of those outlets splitters on a two receptacle outlet, and splits it into 6 or 8 outlets, then over loads it.
When the human body is shocked, muscles tighten. If your hand is gripping something, you will NOT be able to let go while being shocked. In the kitchen, it's unlikely both hand will be gripping something to complete the circuit, and you'll jerk away. Sitting in a spa this wont happen (jerking away).
A little word on GFCI's. They FAIL. The instructions for them tell you to test them monthly...though almost no one does.
bimmerdog:
--- Quote from: Spatech_tuo on February 18, 2013, 10:59:16 am ---
--- Quote from: bimmerdog on February 18, 2013, 10:11:31 am ---I did a little research on my own. I found the laws for the hot tub in my area "All switching devices must be located at least 5 feet from INSIDE WALLS of hot tub or separated by a solid fence or wall". (NEC 680.22 (D)). GFI outlet 5'4" Box behind tub 5"0" all measurements to the closest inside point of the tub. Now WE can all sleep better.
Dr. Spa thank you for making me aware of what you saw and could have been a problem. I honestly do feel better that everything is where it should be.
I do have a question. Why in my kitchen do I have 5 GFI outlets within 5 feet to my sink? Why does the GFI outlet by the hot tub need to be 5' away from the tub?
--- End quote ---
"To bad you have no idea what you are talking about."
"and again if you would ask before making a stupid statement"
I'm pretty sure you didn't hurt his feelings but the next time someone (in this case a long time professional in the industry) tells you something that differs from the facts as you know them, you might want to temporarily censor your rude thoughts and do the research to determeine whether he could possibly have a point before you slam him as being stupid. A general apology in your follow-up would have at least been nice but it wouldn't have followed the pattern.
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You are 100% right in what you say. The reason I said what i said was the way he said it "has any one noticed" It should have been "Bimmerdog I think the outlets might be to close. You might want to check them" I would have said "thank you for your concern and I will look into it".
When some one post a picture and you see something that you think is wrong, you let the person who posted the picture know your concerns. You speak to the person. If Dr Spa feels he did do that I do apologize for my response to him. But in my eyes he was not talking to me but talking to the forum. If I came back and said "screw you your wrong" Then you bring in others to get their opinions. It was to me the way Dr. Spa wrote his post. He is totally correct but again this is the Internet. I look at it this way. If IM at Dr Spas house and I see some thing wrong I don't run out into the street and yell for every one to hear about what I think is his problem.
I did learn from Dr Spa comments. I did go and find the code. I did measure for myself. I did find the City Inspector was spot on to the codes. So bottom line we can all be happy.
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