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Mendocino101:
Neddaspa
..you said.."Buying a spa is just like buying a new car”. Just how is that? It is actually nothing like buying a new car...first off Unlike buying a car....THERE in NO FEDERAL LAW that assures all dealers PAY the same for the SPA....There is NO Law the says for example that you have to sell spas and that their combined energy consummation has to average so much the same way auto manufactures must meet fuel standards..UNILIKE buying a car the freight cost for shipping varies on how where and how many spas you are shipping at one time…..Cars/Truck pay the same destination fee..(Shipping/freight)…no matter where they are in the country..Again it is FEDERAL law. There are no published invoice prices for spas....again What makes you think buying a spa is anything like buying a car..Also as you heard from many others on a another board the deal that you SEEM to think is fair in your own self serving mind was for the dealer to make was $500.00 on the other board...that 500.00 is supposed to cover the cost of rent.... insurance.... staff...service.... and oh yeah profit after paying those things... it is not REALISTC.. By your own numbers you want to allow a dealer to make a GROSS profit of 8% most any business would go bankrupt rather quickly operating on that (low turn over businesses) what you just don't seem to get is that.... that nobody (a dealer) has any interest or desire of doing business with you at the price... that YOU and YOU ALONE think it is fair...your arrogance I find appalling.... as you seem to feel you have the right to tell another how much money they can earn... Earlier in other messages here you asked about why someone felt the need to tip the delivery person in a very condescending manner.... author=needaspa "You gave the man a $20 tip Did you feel the delivery cost was too low? Or did you feel that the dealer didn't overcharge you enough on the spa?…You also spoke about someone doing the hard labor and you said…
"Now I agree with you Florida! I would rather pay someone to throw out his or her back mixing concrete and pouring a slab! All though, I would price shop for the lowest bid and heck I might even have companies bid against each other... you than went on to say
"Bottom line here - I cherish my health and my money. It's what your time and health is worth"
Needspa...You seem to want an awful lot...but you just do not want to pay a fair price for it...I think the bottom line is you cherish everything about yourself and without any regard to anyone else.
needaspa:
Mendocino - The comparison to car buying I made was to mention the fact that price is negotiable. Unless one has an unlimited budget and can throw money around, one should always negotiate on the spa price.
I am pretty sure I can get at or near 6500 for the above mentioned spa. I am talking to several stores. The highest I have seen is 10000. Now, the best price I have in hand is 7500. From the highest to the lowest, the diff is 2500 (10000 - 7500). And at 7500, the store is still making a generous profit. I know there is still fat to trim. BY shopping around around just a little, I have managed to save 2500!
Another point I forgot to mention in the above: To me, price should be considered priority #1 and above dealer reputation, service, etc. The spa you buy is covered under a manufacturer's warranty not store warranty. Do not deel pressured to buy from a store that has been in business for years and seems to be the nicest, politest, etc. The manufacturer must stand up and fix any problems you have. You are not tied to the store where you bought it. There are numerous Sundance/Hot Springs/etc stores, you should have no problem getting service should you need.
wmccall:
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I agree with you 100%. I myself work in the pool & spa biz, and if customers knew what we actually pay for the tubs, marketing, sales and staff training, eletrical..etc......they'd se that the prices we sell at are fair.
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Then don't put completly insane unjustifyable BS retail prices on spas and then claim its on sale everday. Maybe a few customers think you are great when you sell a spa for $7000 when you had a $10000 price tag on it in the store (a price you woudn't even think of saying pubicly outide the showroom.)
I do think Iowaspaman was a little out of line jumping on this one poster because he has a figure in mind he is working with. No force on earth is going to get his dealer to sell at a loss, and given your industries practices of inflating and hiding prices, that poster probably doesn't know if that is an unreasonable price, but he is going on what he thinks is best. I sure don't consider it good practice whining about those dumb customers.
wmccall:
--- Quote ---Pardon me while I snap.
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Perhaps its time for a career change? If $6500 is unreasonable for that model then he just won't get that deal. And if that model is really what he wants he won't get it from another dealer. The poster isn't putting a gun to the dealer's head.
From what I have seen there is a lot of simiarities between the auto industry and the spa industry, at least in the sales category. However, if the auto industry would put a $30k price on a Tercel and then made the customer feel good getting out the door spending only $17k congress would be launching an investigation.
That might be why the public has embraced Saturn and their no haggle priceing.
Lori:
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From what I have seen there is a lot of simiarities between the auto industry and the auto industry
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Hey Bill,
Been using Spawoman's hair dye? ;) :o
Just teasing!!! LOL!!!
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