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wmccall:
--- Quote --- Needspa...You seem to want an awful lot...but you just do not want to pay a fair price for it...I think the bottom line is you cherish everything about yourself and without any regard to anyone else.
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while maybe I can understand Iowaspamans frustation, your way out of line. you can tell all that from needespas post? All he said was he was trying for a price of $6500. I have to guess from your post, you are a dealer. Can you please tell me the name and location of your dealership? To attack a potential customer suggest to me your a dealer to avoid.
wmccall:
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Hey Bill,
Been using Spawoman's hair dye? ;) :o
Just teasing!!! LOL!!!
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Oooops, thanks.
Mendocino101:
Bill...I am actually not a dealer...at this time.... and if you read all that I wrote I was not attacking someone for this one post.... after reading several of his posts I do feel that all he does care about getting is what’s best for him without out regard to others...I know you are a owner with a lot of knowledge...and you do try and help those who seek advice...What you said about Saturn is true but also odd...because of marketing people feel great about the no hassle way of shopping and the deal they get is....To pay FULL RETAIL for their car.....All Saturn did was market...MSRP ...as the price...and their dealers must sell it for that price....It is the very same thing that MSRP was supposed to do for other car makers....My point to Needaspa is that you said you feel that 500.00 was a fair profit for a dealer to make and many who do sell the spa you want....have said that 7500.00 is very fair and appears to be better than what most other shoppers paid...When I started shopping I was going to get a Caldera and after reading what others were paying....I knew the price I had been given was far better than any I saw posted but it would be unfair both other shoppers and other dealers to post the price I was given because I was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time....but it was not the common value of that spa.....All I am saying to be fair with those you deal with.....Shopping for a fair and good price is smart.....but trying to dictate what you feel someone should make is not.....I mean the cost of doing business varies from state to state.....rent...insurance cost.....shipping.....they are not the same everywhere....good luck in finding what you want.....
poolboy34:
well, it does matter who you buy your spa from, b/c believe it or not that compnay is responsible for ALL service on that product.................yes it is a "manufactuer's warranty...............but Watkins and Jacuzzi are NOT going to send a spa tech cross country from CA to work on your Spa. All dealers siogn service agreements to service all spas that they sell from that particular manufacturer. And in many cases if you go to a third party for your service work all of your warranties will be null and void. If you want to spend 6500$ on a spa, get a sweetwater, b/c they are more w/in your range of prices. And those MSRP's on the spas are from the manufacturers, NOT the dealers. And as far as posting our prices......we aren't legally allowed to do that , the manufactuers regulate this.
Steve:
I'm jumping here (may be a bad move but what the he11)
I get a real kick out of watching people negotiate pricing and then assuming they are negotiating geniuses. needaspa might feel great at negotiating his potential spa down to $6500.00 but if the dealer left enough "wiggle room" to go down to $6000.00, then in all reality, he's a poor shopper. As a side note, I'm going to guess that needaspa is not a business person. I don't say that negatively, but rather as an observation.
Now, I have a spa that I need $8000.00 to make the margins I need in my area with my overhead and business costs to stay in business. If I start out at $10,500 and get worked down to $9,200.00, who wins? This business of inflating suggested retails just to show fake value really pisses me off. Yet, Joe consumer falls for it every time. They go home telling there buddies how he really beat up the salesman and got a GREAT DEAL. Meanwhile, the salesman (and more importantly the owner) are counting their money and laughing at this twit who thinks he's so smart.
Now, take that same circumstance and this time it's a friend of the guy who just bought and got the spa for $9,200.00. This guy is a real pit bull and works the salesman down to $9000.00 even. Now how does this first shmuck feel?
My point here is that I really hate reading these posts on pricing. There are way too many factors to determine a good price. Someone buys a Jacuzzi (just an example) in Alabama for $7000.00 and the next person says that $7800.00 is way too much 3000 miles away. Come on....
Until you know what that given dealer needs to make to stay in business in their given area, how does Joe Blow have any concept what so ever to determine price.
This isn't the jewelry business where there's 100% mark-up though some consumers feel different. The real difference with cars is that there's more than 1 Ford dealership in most cities and we can compare pricing with apples to apples. With hot tubs, you have to do your best. Here's how I shop for big ticket items.
If I'm seriously considering the purchase on a given product, I will research it based on quality and who I want to give my hard earned money to. I want someone who knows what they're talking about and I will ask what their best price is. I only want 1 price and I won't counter offer. I will make this clear to them. If it's what I feel is acceptable, I'll buy it. Otherwise, I'll walk out and continue on. If this guy comes back with a better price or calls a day later, then I know he was trying to rip me off initially and didn't give me his best price like I asked. So many people buy this way and really don't consider the fact that the company was quoting you higher to make better margins. Do you really want to deal with someone like this? Not me thanks.
Every Beachcomber customer in our city pays the exact same price. We make what we need to and I could care less how good your negotiating skills are. Wave thousand dollar bills in my face... You're paying the same as the guy before you and the next one after. If ya don't like it, I tried my best and I have little respect for people who shop strictly by price anyway.
There's other ways of showing value and playing with consumers minds isn't one of them. It's an insult and I amazed people still shop that way at all.
In closing, the next time you get a price that shows huge savings from the suggested retail, ask to see a deal where the spa was actually sold at that suggested retail price. I bet they can't do it. It's perceived value people and someone's trying to scam you.
Steve
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