General > Beating a dead horse
By-pass Filtration
J._McD:
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were serious.
I have no argument regarding the water quality. I never have and never will. I realize that the CLEAN water exiting a HotSpring pump mixes with the dirty water already in the spa the same as everyone else's DIRTY water exiting the pump mixes with the dirty water already in the spa. When it's in the spa and there are people in the spa, it's DIRTY.
BUT, ours is CLEAN again before it enters the pump. Cleansed of hair and dead skin. The pump doesn't get hair and dead skin sucked into it. I imagine that if most consumers understood that point better, HotSpring would sell even more spas than they already do.
I'm sure the water IN THE SPA (not the pump or heater or plumbing) of your Beachcomber was just as clean as anyone else. No argument here. :)
Terminator
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I think we all agree that you belive what you (imagine) think, and we certainly don't want to challenge that. You show such passion, you could be confused with another passionate poster not allowed here.
But, your implication all of these gross solids that you say are sucked in through fittings, which won't allow them to pass through the fittings, are somehow doing damage to everyone else's Hot Tubs if they don't have YOUR concept of "no-bypass" filtration. how is it we are able to sell them?
But then, your statement above says "I'm sure the water IN THE SPA (not the pump or heater or plumbing) of your Beachcomber was just as clean as anyone else. No argument here", isn't this the source of of pump suction that sends water through the pump, heater and plumbing where you say all those nasty things getting sucked in.
Apparently you must believe our hair falls out, our toenails are sucked off, our skin dies and falls off, and all of those other things in your illustration (that you imagine) are pulled through those tiny little suction holes in the foot well fittings after we enter the Tub. I can see you really believe all of this and that is begining to worry some of us here.
I think you need to take your blinders off and agree there are some other brands and worthy products for consumers, OTHER THAN YOUR BRAND and biased opinion.
BTW, I am not your competitor, nor are the other dealers that sell other brands of products, the competitors are the other alternate choices for discreationary spending that I mentioned earlier. That make you an industry associate with a different choice.
SerjicalStrike:
--- Quote ---Easy now - if your tub ran no-bypass whenever the jets were turned on, it might be able to stay clean and safe with less (power consuming) circ pumps like HS...
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The Sundance circ. pump uses around .2 amps more than the Laing circulation pump.
The water going through the pumps should be clean enough since the body of water is being turned over 100 times per day.
If your pumps didn't have to run through the filter, they would stay powerful longer.
spahappy:
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I don't believe that information exists. At your request, I did go back and look over an older post regarding this same issue. I made the statement that our company (East Texas Spa) had only had to replace 8 jet pumps in 21 years. Good ol' JMcD was astounded and even figured out our failure rate was about .002% or something like that. Chas admitted he had replaced maybe 6 pumps in 20 years and Guzz had replaced about 2 in 9 years. That ain't too shabby. ;D
I agree that's exceptional. In all honesty I will tell you that in 20 years we have replaced more pumps than that.
Now don't set me in your sites for saying this. I personally know of two Hotsprings owners here that have replaced the pump in their spa. In both cases the spa was within the warranty period which is far less than 20 years. Also keep in mind that I live in a town that is only 16,000 people.
I beleive that overall poor water chemistry over a long period of time will take pumps and heaters out prematurely of any spa brand. Even a Hotsprings.
Do ya'll see the same type longevity with yours? I hope so. It's a shame when the customers' spas end up not lasting 20 years or more. We (HS dealers) seem to have those in abundance. I always imagined it was the 100% No-Bypass Filtration that had a lot to do with it, but it might be because of other factors. I just don't know for sure.
Terminator
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Yes we have old spas out as well. I would like to clarify that just because a pump or a heater needs to replaced after 10 or so years, there is no reason to assume that that spa will not last another 10 or so years.
Lets face it term, if any spa was that superior, we'd have all kinds of time to work on all those other brands. Because we wouldn't have to servicing our own 15 to 20 year old spas.
I have always thought that Hotsprings was a fine spa. Are they the best? who really knows!
I don't want to ruffle any feathers but I do get tired of the constant claims of superiority.
It's been said many times, if no bypass filtration were the very best way to do things why is Hotsprings the only company that does it. ???
Steve:
I believe Chas and Term get an advertising kick back from HS... ;)
Hey, as long as you guys believe it, that's all that matters right? ;D
Anyway...I think it's move on time... (for me anyway)
Steve
Steve:
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Yes we have old spas out as well. I would like to clarify that just because a pump or a heater needs to replaced after 10 or so years, there is no reason to assume that that spa will not last another 10 or so years.
Lets face it term, if any spa was that superior, we'd have all kinds of time to work on all those other brands. Because we wouldn't have to servicing our own 15 to 20 year old spas.
I have always thought that Hotsprings was a fine spa. Are they the best? who really knows!
I don't want to ruffle any feathers but I do get tired of the constant claims of superiority.
It's been said many times, if no bypass filtration were the very best way to do things why is Hotsprings the only company that does it. ???
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I believe most here feel the same and you just voiced it.
As for your last comment my dear, it all goes back to marketing. It's why they do it and that's OK.
Steve
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