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Richs100:

--- Quote ---Put the blame squarely where it lies- on the shooter.  The media didn't make him do that, his gun didn't make him do that, his twisted sick mind made him do that.  
 Â They need to start putting a little discipline back into the public schools, and parents need to get their nads back, stop acting like their children's friends, and start being parents.  I've seen so many expamples of children mis-behaving out in public while the parents ignore or even encourage their behavior.  
 These kids don't stand a chance in the real world when they learn it's not all about them- that sometimes you loose, sometimes people will dis-agree with you.  No coping skills.  They simply aren't being taught to live in the real world.  
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Brewman, I wish it was as simple as you say. But apparently this kid was from a deeply religious family and had been home schooled.  So I don't think too much blame can be landed on the doorsteps of the public education system in this particular case. He apparenlty had a history of problems, as the media is reporting he was ejected from this missionary school several years ago and had been sending threatening messages to others.  If true, I'm curious as to why he wasn't dealt with before now, and why oh why, would he have access to assault rifles or other weapons??  (Admittedly, the media loves this stuff and throws out all kinds of inaccurate, sensational information, so the above info could be wrong.)

I personally think that we have always had, and will always have, a certain segment of the population that just does not fit in to society. I think these people have always been with us.  They just were not as obvious to us.  Today, due to our advanced communications and media, they immediately rise to prominece and notariety.  And they obviously have ready access to these horrific weapons they use to inflict maximum harm to the people around them.  And why does it seem like some of these kids can get their hands on an assault rifle easier than a can of beer??   I, personally, would not have a clue where to go to get a freakin' assault rifle.  I cannot believe this does not constitute part the problem here.

Mendocino101:

--- Quote ---Put the blame squarely where it lies- on the shooter.  The media didn't make him do that, his gun didn't make him do that, his twisted sick mind made him do that.  
 Â They need to start putting a little discipline back into the public schools, and parents need to get their nads back, stop acting like their children's friends, and start being parents.  I've seen so many expamples of children mis-behaving out in public while the parents ignore or even encourage their behavior.  
 These kids don't stand a chance in the real world when they learn it's not all about them- that sometimes you loose, sometimes people will dis-agree with you.  No coping skills.  They simply aren't being taught to live in the real world.  
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Around the corner from where I live there is a large church similar in size to this one and we sometimes take our dogs there at night to run in a field that is behind the church. We have met a security guard there who has told me that the reason for his being there that it had to do with terrorism, that threats have been made to churches in general not them directly but that is why he and others are there around the clock.

Brewman I am not at all saying its the medias fault, I just do not think they are always responsible in the way they cover stories.

East_TX_Spa:
Thank God for this woman, Jeanne Assam.  She was working as a volunteer in the church and had a concealed carry license.


She saved untold numbers of lives and is a true hero.

I was at church Sunday with my little girl, legally armed with a 9mm handgun.  I can only hope that I would have the same amount of guts and courage as Ms. Assam should I ever find myself in a similiar situation.  I would venture to guess that probably a fifth of our congregation is armed.  I only pray that we can get that number up to 95% or better.

EVERY qualified American should take the responsibility to do EVERYTHING within their power to protect their family and friends.  If you can legally own and carry a firearm and choose not to, you should hang your head in shame.
 

George, I am thankful that you and Robert and your families are safe.  It is a terrible tragedy for the others. :'(

Terminator

Richs100:
Hey Term, don't get me wrong.  Despite the fact that I am a non-gun owning, blue state, east coast liberal, I truly respect your right to arm yourself, your family and that (wished for) 95% of your congregation.  Personally, I would be scared to death to sit in one of the pews in your church, but I understand that this is your local community's custom and standand, and I respect that.  

With that said, however, I do have a question about these "assault rifles" the media keeps talking about.  It seems like most of these shootings involve these kinds of weapons.  Why can't the Gub'mint regulate these weapons like they do hand grenades and land mines.  Last I heard, we don't have much of a problem with them in our schools, churches and shopping malls.  

It would seem to me that the legitimate value of these rifles as a defensive and/or recreational weapon is vastly outweighed by the "mass killing power" they also have.  Especially, if they constantly turn up as the weapon of choice at these tragedies.  

I never hear this discussed in the news.  And I am genuinely curious as to other views on the issue.
Thanks,
Rich

East_TX_Spa:

--- Quote ---With that said, however, I do have a question about these "assault rifles" the media keeps talking about.  It seems like most of these shootings involve these kinds of weapons.
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The term "assault weapon" is a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and battle rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are categorized between light machine guns, intended more for sustained automatic fire in a support role, and submachine guns, which fire a handgun cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.

The leftist mainstream media is using the term out of context to scare the public at large.  To date, there has only been 1 instance of a legally obtained assault weapon being used to commit a crime, and it was by a police officer.

The weapons being used by these losers are semi-auto rifles....one pull of the trigger, one bullet fired.  No different from Elmer Fudd's hunting rifle.


--- Quote --- Why can't the Gub'mint regulate these weapons like they do hand grenades and land mines.
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There are currently over 20,000 firearm related laws on the books.  How many more will it take?  100, 10 thousand????

Simply enforce the laws on the books.  Don't take away more rights from responsible, qualified, law-abiding citizens.

Fully automatic weapons have been regulated by the federal government since the mid 1930's.  Anyone possessing a fully-automatic weapon in this day and age is (a) doing so legally by complying with all federal regulations and background checks or (b) doing so ILLEGALLY.

Grenades, bombs, etc are explosive devices and should be regulated.


--- Quote ---It would seem to me that the legitimate value of these rifles as a defensive and/or recreational weapon is vastly outweighed by the "mass killing power" they also have.  Especially, if they constantly turn up as the weapon of choice at these tragedies.
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I would suggest going to www.ar15.com and posing your question there. :D 

Dang, I started writing this response an hour and a half ago, but some lady came in and bought a Sovereign.  Sorry it's taken so long to reply.

Term

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